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#1 Jul 07 2006 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/4029995.html


Now that a federal judge has ruled that the Texas Republican Party may not replace Tom DeLay on the November ballot despite the fact that he has resigned from Congress and moved to Virginia, Republican officials say the voters are the victims.


If the Democrats win that district I'll likely be dehydtrated for days from the lack of fluids caused by the multpile orgasms.

HAhahaha. Ahh.



Edited, Jul 7th 2006 at 11:59am EDT by Smasharoo
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#2 Jul 07 2006 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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If?


Well, I heard the gays want to be able to own cattle, so that might drive GoP turn out.

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/bipartisan hat on

It is pretty lame that they can't even replace him with another candidate.

I guess they could have their guy run as an independent, would just take a lot of campaigning to get the word so voters know what to do on the ballot.

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It is pretty lame that they can't even replace him with another candidate.
Such is apparently the law though and it was a law that the party was well aware of. DeLay chose to be in the primaries knowing the law. DeLay decided to cut and run (heh) after winning the primaries knowing the law. DeLay & the state party tried to circumvent the law so they could have their cake and eat it too.

As the column states, it is pretty lame that there can't be a Republican candidate on the ballot but the only ones to blame for that is DeLay & Co.
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#6 Jul 08 2006 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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It was "the law" in N.J. recently, too ... remember? N.J. had no problem dealing with that ugly duckling situation.
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The Associated Press wrote:
A federal appeals court panel on Thursday refused to let Texas Republicans replace Tom DeLay's name on the November congressional ballot.

A three-judge panel of the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a ruling by U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks, who said in July that DeLay name had to stay on the ballot even though he quit from Congress and moved to Virginia.
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Thursday's ruling said that GOP state chairwoman Tina Benkiser acted unconstitutionally when she tried to remove DeLay as the party nominee because he lived in Virginia. Democrats had noted that DeLay's wife, Christine, still lives in the DeLays' house in Sugar Land, just outside Houston.
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#8 Aug 03 2006 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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That's almost as funny as the time the Texas Democrats went on the run, hiding, staying in motels all across the midwest to prevent some redistricting legislation Smiley: laugh good times, those Texans
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#9 Aug 03 2006 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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Well. I wouldn't get that excited. IIRC they gerrymandered the district to have *less* of a majority of Republicans in order to push those voters into closer districts. So it's not like they spent tons of effort to get an advantage in that one district and now may lose it due to the legal rulings. The other districts that got extra Republican voters in them will still have them.

Could be wrong, but I do seem to remember way back that they were narrowing the marjin in his district so they could bring other districts into play.


Heh. And I've got to comment about the patheticness of your position when the best hope you've got is to win on a legal technicality. I guess the whole ideal of making sure everyone's vote counts only exists when it's a Democrat's chances that are on the line...

And the laws were not that clear when they withdrew him from the race. The law states that a replacement candidate can be put on the ballot if the one chosen in the primary is "ineligible to run" and this status is requested at least 90 days before the election date. State residency is one of the eligibility requirements for holding office, so it's not exactly like it was unreasonable to assume that if he moved out of the state, he would become inelible to serve the office, and a second candidate could be put on the ballot in his place.

Whether they were playing fast and loose with the rules in order to put another candidate on the ticket and got "caught", or whether their opposition is using a "unique" interpretation of the state laws to block that move is a matter of opinion. But in any case, we are dealing with legal technicalities which ultimately result in the voters not getting to vote fairly. In any sane system, there'd be a recognition that given the indictments against Delay the Republicans should be allowed to replace him as their candidate. That would seem a reasonable right for a political party to have in this case. That the laws apparently don't allow for this is the problem IMO.
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Well. I wouldn't get that excited. IIRC they gerrymandered the district to have *less* of a majority of Republicans in order to push those voters into closer districts.


You recall incorrectly.
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#11 Aug 04 2006 at 12:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Dems should put Ashcroft on the ballot. Then DeLay is sure to win!
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Apparently, the Republicans are now trying to get a special session of the U.S. Supreme Court to hear their case Smiley: dubious
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#13 Aug 04 2006 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
Smashed,

How'd that Kerry campaigning work out for ya?

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Apparently, the Republicans are now trying to get a special session of the U.S. Supreme Court to hear their case Smiley: dubious


Well, unlike the Terry Schiavo case, the Feds do have some interest in voters' rights. How odd, though, that the Court only seems to get invoked in Bush Country - Florida and Texas.

Damn activist judiciary.
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I don't know if voter's rights are being violated -- the voters can still write in and vote for whoever they please. More to the point, the primary voters picked DeLay and DeLay is who is on the ballot. If DeLay doesn't want to be on the ballot, he can formally withdraw instead of trying jurisdiction shennanigans to get himself disqualified. Until DeLay formally withdraws, it can be assumed that he intends to remain on the ballot and, per the findings of the courts thus far and the Constitution, he is a valid candidate up to the point of election.

My dubious expression was more regarding the practicality of kicking the SCOTUS judges out of bed before October to rule on a case which, so far, has been pretty well grounded. I can understand why they'd need to do it sooner rather than later but I don't see the SCOTUS ruling differently on the facts of the case.
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#16 Aug 04 2006 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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De Lay did withdraw his candidacy. It's the consequences, as specified by Texas Law, that make it so that he still can't be removed unless he proves himself ineligible. He tried to do so, but he just can't circumvent the residency-at-time-of-election requirement.

If I was a Pubbie, I'd be more ticked at his lawyers for not reading the fine print.

Edited, Aug 4th 2006 at 1:05pm EDT by Atomicflea
#17 Aug 04 2006 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
Well, it's sort of right to vote versus right to vote since they voted for DeLay in the primary. So long as they can write in a name, I'm not seeing a really pressing issue.
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My dubious expression was more regarding the practicality of kicking the SCOTUS judges out of bed before October to rule on a case which, so far, has been pretty well grounded. I can understand why they'd need to do it sooner rather than later but I don't see the SCOTUS ruling differently on the facts of the case.


Ah, see, I took it to be a "Here we go again, the Bush boys calling up the Supremes to back their political play" dubiosity.
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Nah, Joph is just scandalized at the idea of people who would kick other people out of bed. This is a man who loves his sleep.
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De Lay did withdraw his candidacy.
DeLay tried to make himself ineligible but he hasn't formally withdrawn. He skipped town, got a driver's license and coordinated a letter with the head of the Texas Republican Party saying "Shucks! I moved! Guess you'll have to pull me then, huh? Darn!" Per the opinion...
The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals wrote:
The court also declared that DeLay is "not ineligible" to be the Republican Party nominee and voided Benkiser’s previous declaration. Finally, it prohibited the Secretary of State from removing DeLay’s name from the ballot for the general election
unless DeLay withdraws.
If DeLay withdraws, the Sec. of State can pull him but they can't just plug in a new name. The Texas Republican Party is trying to make him ineligible so they can say "He can't be on there so we need our second choice."

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Edited, Aug 4th 2006 at 1:33pm EDT by Jophiel
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Sparks nailed the essence of the case in a footnote.

"The simple fact is DeLay, for personal reasons, decided to withdraw his candidacy for the general election after voters elected him in the Republican primary election," he wrote. "DeLay is entitled to withdraw from the race for House District 22 before the general election; however, Texas law specifies the manner of the withdrawal and its consequences."

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You may be on to something.
CNN wrote:
State election law allows a political party to replace a candidate if the candidate dies, becomes medically incapacitated or becomes ineligible for office. If the candidate simply withdraws from the race after winning his or her primary, the name cannot be removed.
So DeLay wishes to withdraw but, at the same time, the TRP wishes to prove him ineligible so they can replace him.

The problem here being that merely moving out of state for an indeterminate period prior to the election doesn't disqualify him.
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And neither does being under indictment. Now, if he'd been convicted, they'd have a shot.

He should confess to a felony. It's win-win.
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Well. I wouldn't get that excited. IIRC they gerrymandered the district to have *less* of a majority of Republicans in order to push those voters into closer districts.


You recall incorrectly.


You sure about that?

This clearly non-pro-Delay article certainly indicates otherwise, and matches everything I've heard about the redistricting he did.

quote in article from NY times wrote:
The redistricting led to the loss of six Democratic seats in Texas in 2004, but it also shifted thousands of Democratic voters to strong Republican districts. Among those, Mr. DeLay's 22nd District added several Democratic-leaning parts of Galveston County; several political analysts estimate they may have raised the district's Democratic vote around 5 percent.


This matches what I've heard from numerous other sources. That Delay sacrificed Republican voters in his own district to put them into contested districts and help the Republicans gain seats. If you can find a source stating otherwise, I'd love to hear it...
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So whilst being disgusted that voters may not be represented fairly because of this, gbaji is consoled by the fact that before hand they were able to manipulate district lines to make better use of republican voters.

What a fascinating insight into american democracy.


It's all a matter of perspective. One could also say that they were un-gerrymandering the districts from the 80 years that the Dems controlled the state legistlature.

Both sides do this. It's not unique to any particular political party. To argue that the old district lines were perfectly ok when they were the result of 80 years of Dems adjustments to give them political advantage but it's totally wrong when the Republicans gain control despite this and want to do it is just a tiny bit hypocritical. Ok. It's more then just a tiny bit hypocritical. It's massively hypocritical.

Kinda like how Dems seemed to have no problem with the lobbying system they largely built in the US when they had the majority in Congress and that system funneled large amounts of money to their candidates by nature of having that majority, but it's suddenly a "culture of corruption" once the Republican's gain the majority and the lobbying funds shift their way.

Double standard? Yeah. I think so...
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