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#1 Jul 06 2006 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
"Engrish is too hard to spell. Smiley: cry"

What the hell is so hard about spelling in a conventional way that everyone has understood for hundreds of years? I say, if you do not have the mental capacity to grasp something as simple as spelling, then you deserve to be left behind because "your an moran"!


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WASHINGTON - When "say," "they" and "weigh" rhyme, but "bomb," "comb" and "tomb" don't, wuudn't it maek mor sens to spel wurdz the wae thae sound?

Those in favor of simplified spelling say children would learn faster and illiteracy rates would drop. Opponents say a new system would make spelling even more confusing.

Eether wae, the consept has yet to capcher th publix imajinaeshun.

It's been 100 years since Andrew Carnegie helped create the Simplified Spelling Board to promote a retooling of written English and President Theodore Roosevelt tried to force the government to use simplified spelling in its publications. But advocates aren't giving up.

They even picket the national spelling bee finals, held every year in Washington, costumed as bumble bees and hoisting signs that say "Enuf is enuf but enough is too much" or "I'm thru with through."

Thae sae th bee selebraets th ability of a fue stoodents to master a dificult sistem that stumps meny utherz hoo cuud do just as wel if speling were simpler.

"It's a very difficult thing to get something accepted like this," says Alan Mole, president of the American Literacy Council, which favors an end to "illogical spelling." The group says English has 42 sounds spelled in a bewildering 400 ways.

Americans doen't aulwaez go for whut's eezy — witnes th faeluer of th metric sistem to cach on. But propoenents of simpler speling noet that a smatering of aulterd spelingz hav maed th leep into evrydae ues.

Doughnut also is donut; colour, honour and labour long ago lost the British "u" and the similarly derived theatre and centre have been replaced by the easier-to-sound-out theater and center.

"The kinds of progress that we're seeing are that someone will spell night 'nite' and someone will spell through 'thru,'" Mole said. "We try to show where these spellings are used and to show dictionary makers that they are used so they will include them as alternate spellings."

"Great changes have been made in the past. Systems can change," a hopeful Mole said.

Lurning English reqierz roet memory rather than lojic, he sed.

In languages with phonetically spelled words, like German or Spanish, children learn to spell in weeks instead of months or years as is sometimes the case with English, Mole said.

But education professor Donald Bear said to simplify spelling would probably make it more difficult because words get meaning from their prefixes, suffixes and roots.

"Students come to understand how meaning is preserved in the way words are spelled," said Bear, director of the E.L. Cord Foundation Center for Learning and Literacy at the University of Nevada, Reno.

Th ******** larjest teecherz uennyon, wuns a suporter, aulso objects.

Michael Marks, a member of the National Education Association's executive committee, said learning would be disrupted if children had to switch to a different spelling system. "It may be more trouble than it's worth," said Marks, a debate and theater teacher at Hattiesburg High School in Mississippi.

E-mail and text messages are exerting a similar tug on the language, sharing some elements with the simplified spelling movement while differing in other ways. Electronic communications stress shortcuts like "u" more than phonetics. Simplified spelling is not always shorter than regular spelling — sistem instead of system, hoep instead of hope.

Carnegie tried to moov thingz along in 1906 when he helpt establish and fund th speling bord. He aulso uezd simplified speling in his correspondens, and askt enywun hoo reported to him to do the saem.

A filanthropist, he becaem pashunet about th ishoo after speeking with Melvil Dewey, a speling reform activist and Dewey Desimal sistem inventor hoo simplified his furst naem bi droping "le" frum Melville.

Roosevelt tried to get the government to adopt simpler spellings for 300 words but Congress blocked him. He used simple spellings in all White House memos, pressing forward his effort to "make our spelling a little less foolish and fantastic."

The Chicago Tribune aulso got into th act, uezing simpler spelingz in th nuezpaeper for about 40 years, ending in 1975. Plae-riet George Bernard Shaw, hoo roet moest of his mateerial in shorthand, left muny in his wil for th development of a nue English alfabet.

Carnegie, Dewey, Roosevelt and Shaw's work followed attempts by Benjamin Franklin, Daniel Webster and Mark Twain to advance simpler spelling. Twain lobbied The Associated Press at its 1906 annual meeting to "adopt and use our simplified forms and spread them to the ends of the earth." AP declined.

But for aul th hi-proefiel and skolarly eforts, the iedeea of funy-luuking but simpler spelingz didn't captivaet the masez then — or now.

"I think that the average person simply did not see this as a needed change or a necessary change or something that was ... going to change their lives for the better," said Marilyn Cocchiola Holt, manager of the Pennsylvania department of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh.

Carnegie, hoo embraest teknolojy, died in 1919, wel befor sel foenz. Had he livd, he probably wuud hav bin pleezd to no that milyonz of peepl send text and instant mesejez evry dae uezing thair oen formz of simplified speling: "Hav a gr8 day!"
#2 Jul 06 2006 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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I couldn't read that. It was too painful. FYI people that spell like that aren't immigrants. They're twelve year old web geeks.
#3 Jul 06 2006 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would
be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and
likewise "x" would no longer be part of the
alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be
retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be
dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling,
so that "which" and "one" would take the same
konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y"
replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j"
anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue
iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless
double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so
modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and
unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud
fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez
"c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the
maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and
"th" rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform,
wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe
Ingliy-spiking werld.
#4 Jul 06 2006 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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I couldn't read that. It was too painful.

I could bearly read it myself. I found the regular sentences far easier to read through quickly, since my brain is already wired to read it. The misspellings took far longer to decipher.

The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
FYI people that spell like that aren't immigrants. They're twelve year old web geeks.
I thought it was just Americans in general.



Yes, I know you were referring to the Engrish comment. In all actuallity, people who speak a native language other than English usually seem to do better learning it.
#5 Jul 06 2006 at 9:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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What the hell is so hard about spelling in a conventional way that everyone has understood for hundreds of years?
Until fairly recently (relatively speaking), spelling rules have been fairly fast and loose.

I keep feeling tempted to 'fix' Jefferson's "defence" in my sig but that's how the guy wrote it.

That said, I see no reason to change now. Because I'm an old man who thinks things should remain exactly as they are.
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#6 Jul 06 2006 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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That said, I see no reason to change now. Because I'm an old man who thinks things should remain exactly as they are.
Finally, in print!
#7 Jul 06 2006 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
That said, I see no reason to change now. Because I'm an old man who thinks things should remain exactly as they are.
Finally, in print!


Smiley: lol Print it out and frame it AF!
#8 Jul 06 2006 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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You see, American English along with its' accompanying slang is, at its' heart, a test. It's a test of your mental agility, your determination to fit in with the world's cool kids, your ability to keep up with an ever-changing language that assimilates and encompasses every other language or code and then changes the meanings to suit our own whims. Try as you might, you can't fake it. You have to learn it to make it in this world, but we can always tell if you're a foreigner because the idiom will be a few years (or decades) out of date.

It's meant to be hard to learn.

If we gave in to the stupidity of reducing Englsih to AOL-speak, then anybody could do it, and what's the fun of having an exclusive clique if everyone can join? The more difficult it is to figure it out, the more desirable it is to get accepted.

Everyone acknowledges that French is a beautiful language, but the fact is it's becoming more and more like Latin where it is obsolete and defunct by virtue of the board which oversees which words and spellings are acceptable as "real" French or not. By attempting to maintain the purity of the langauge they stifle it and further prove France is slowly becoming irrelevant each passing year.

Suck it, Frogs!

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#9 Jul 06 2006 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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That article was written specifically to make my head hurt, I couldn't read it. I get the idea and everything, but no.

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#10 Jul 06 2006 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
I'm for it.
#11 Jul 06 2006 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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Wut?
#12 Jul 06 2006 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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So says the fellow who uses three word sentences to state his opinion.

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#13 Jul 06 2006 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
There is no apostrophe in "fuck". There is a red "c", though.
#14 Jul 06 2006 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Spelling? English? We need a single, cenrtalized global language. And not Chinese-based
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#15 Jul 06 2006 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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You see, American English along with its' accompanying slang is, at its' heart, a test.


...a test which your apostrophes fail.
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#16 Jul 06 2006 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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You mean "its'" which denotes ownership, as opposed to "it's" which is the contraction of "it is?" That apostrophe?

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#17 Jul 06 2006 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
Call me crazy, but isn't "its'" the plural possessive while "it's" would show singular possession? What a tricky little word to filter out the undesireables.
#18 Jul 06 2006 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Tricky? There's nothing tricky about it.

Some people are just morons, that's all.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#19 Jul 06 2006 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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There is no apostrophe in "fuck". There is a red "c", though.


Only if it's her first time.
#20 Jul 06 2006 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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The possessive form of "it" has no apostrophe.

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#21 Jul 06 2006 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, "it's" always means "it is". That's it.

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#22 Jul 06 2006 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
Nexa wrote:


Yes, "it's" always means "it is". That's it.

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#23 Jul 06 2006 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
I am wasting my life. I should go outside.
#24 Jul 06 2006 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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Now you know how your Ameringlish looks to me!
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#25 Jul 06 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Barkingturtle wrote:
I am wasting my life. I should go outside.


Why? You can learn way more about this "outside" of which you speak online than you could ever learn by leaving the warm security of your computer chair.

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#26 Jul 06 2006 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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Barkingturtle wrote:
I am wasting my life. I should go outside.


Why? You can learn way more about this "outside" of which you speak online than you could ever learn by leaving the warm security of your computer chair.

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I'd love to be outside, but "the man" is keeping me down. Smiley: frown
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