so.. the popular sentiment is that:
There are no "human races" and that we are all equal.. we all bleed the same colour.. and if you removed our skin that we would all look the same.... so we should live together in harmony.
Now
Evolution declares that a species will change dramatically wehn confronted with a different environment... Thus we have the various branches of one species seperated by temperature, elevation, fresh/salt water, diet.. et cetera..
So then is it no feasible to conclude that in fact there ARE different "races" of humans? People live in mountains, jungles, plains, tundra, urban, rural...
Why would we not assume that the human race would "evolve" seperately based on their environment...?
All "Agent Smith" notions aside.
So, wouldn't the notion of evolution only make the idea of seperate races more feasable?
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Because of human migration.
You had me at "removed our skin".
I think it's more or less people that have a issue of being different. I get the feeling that people who usually say this aren't great looking people.
I was hoping you'd post the Fresh Prince lyrics :(
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Because of human migration.
like the ones that migrated into the arctic lands, jungles and deserts?
Edited, Jul 3rd 2006 at 11:35am EDT by Kelvyquayo
Kelvyquayo wrote:
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Because of human migration.
like the ones that migrated into the jungles and deserts?
Yeah, but mostly because of the ones that migrated from the jungles and the desert. There are only a handful of tribes that have stayed in the same place for 10,000 years. And there are even less that havent come into contact with other humans in one way or another.
Throughout history, humans have migrated and had sex with the people they found. There is far too much human interaction for evolution to take place in the way you describe it.
Don't get me wrong, some tribes do have specific evolutionary qualities. But they are extremely rare, and are only that way because they were protected from outsiders one way or another.
Most of the other human beings are mixed. And have not stayed in one place, untouched, long enough for evolution to have such an effect.
All we have right now is regional variance. When you have two groups of humans who cannot successfully breed children without them becoming mules who can't reproduce then you have 'races'.
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All we have right now is regional variance. When you have two groups of humans who cannot successfully breed children without them becoming mules who can't reproduce then you have 'races'.
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
All we have right now is regional variance. When you have two groups of humans who cannot successfully breed children without them becoming mules who can't reproduce then you have 'races'.
/nod
I had the same thought, that what Kelvy was referring to would be more of a breed than a race. For example, cats can interbreed, but siamese and persians look different and evolved to meet different needs (before people started tinkering with them, that is). However, they are both just cats, and biologically the same.
can a Galapagos Tortoise not breed with an Iranian Spur-thighed Tortoise?
Edited, Jul 3rd 2006 at 11:50am EDT by Kelvyquayo
Edited, Jul 3rd 2006 at 11:50am EDT by Kelvyquayo
Darwin must be spinning in his grave...
Kelvyquayo wrote:
can a Galapagos Tortoise not breed with an Iranian Spur-thighed Tortoise?
For the sake of this "argument" though.. the term "Racism" is meant as the popular term... of bigotry between the view of other "types" of humans as equals.
not as the semantical facts of waht a "race" of humans would be.
I mean... are there even "Races" of animals? No
not as the semantical facts of waht a "race" of humans would be.
I mean... are there even "Races" of animals? No
Kelvyquayo wrote:
can a Galapagos Tortoise not breed with an Iranian Spur-thighed Tortoise?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Kelvyquayo wrote:
I mean... are there even "Races" of animals?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Philosophy is so much more enjoyable when it's not forced.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Jophiel wrote:
Kelvyquayo wrote:
can a Galapagos Tortoise not breed with an Iranian Spur-thighed Tortoise?
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Philosophy is so much more enjoyable when it's not forced.
There are no races of animals... in bed
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
There are no races of animals... in bed
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
'm just saying.. the whole idea of evolution... is that a bunch of a particular species of animal finds itself in a different environment and changes to become a new species...
Why wouldn;t this apply to humans?
you're saying it's just because we're too damn horny?
Why wouldn;t this apply to humans?
you're saying it's just because we're too damn horny?
Human beings currently don't need to significantly change biologically because we've evolved to the point where we modify our environment to suit our needs rather than needing to make major adaptations physiologically.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Kelvyquayo wrote:
'm just saying.. the whole idea of evolution... is that a bunch of a particular species of animal finds itself in a different environment and changes to become a new species...
Why wouldn;t this apply to humans?
you're saying it's just because we're too damn horny?
Why wouldn;t this apply to humans?
you're saying it's just because we're too damn horny?
Horny and mobile.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I'm still just unclear on how evolution is supposed to work.
So.. say some animal... enjoys food that is in the high branches of the trees..
is it.. that after enough time passes that it's neck gets longer from all of the reaching? well that doesn't really make sense..
so it's; after generations the DNA remembers all of that reaching that the species has done in the past and makes the neck grow longer?
that doesn't seem to make sense either.
So.. say some animal... enjoys food that is in the high branches of the trees..
is it.. that after enough time passes that it's neck gets longer from all of the reaching? well that doesn't really make sense..
so it's; after generations the DNA remembers all of that reaching that the species has done in the past and makes the neck grow longer?
that doesn't seem to make sense either.
Jophiel wrote:
Human beings currently don't need to significantly change biologically because we've evolved to the point where we modify our environment to suit our needs rather than needing to make major adaptations physiologically. Unless you're Mexican.
Agreed
Kelvyquayo wrote:
I'm still just unclear on how evolution is supposed to work.
Animal likes food that grows higher up. Animals that have traits (via random mutation or whatever) which allow them greater access to said food tend to be healthier and reproduce more, hence allowing their genetic traits to spread.
That's the Reader's Digest version of it, anyway.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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