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#1 Jul 02 2006 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
Government Shutdown 4tw!
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Gov. Jon S. Corzine said Sunday there was "no immediate prospect of a budget." State parks, beaches and historic sites also were expected to shut down Wednesday.

If the casinos shut down, the state would lose an estimated $2 million in tax revenue each day they stayed closed. Republican Assemblyman Francis Blee, whose district includes the casinos, said it was important for them to remain open.

"We will have tens of thousands of individuals, real people, that are going to be hurt by this," he said. "There will be bread-winners who are not bringing home a paycheck."

Corzine shut down nonessential government services Saturday after the Legislature failed to adopt a budget by its July 1 deadline, leaving the state without the means to spend money. Budget talks became heated this year as Corzine, a Democrat, proposed increasing the state sales tax from 6 percent to 7 percent to help overcome a $4.5 billion budget deficit.

Most Democrats in the Assembly and several Senate Democrats oppose the sales tax increase, fearing voter backlash and reserving any tax increase for property tax reform. Assembly Democrats proposed a series of alternatives, some of which Corzine accepted, but both sides remained $1 billion apart as the budget deadline passed.

About 45,000 state employees were furloughed Saturday. Corzine's order allows him to keep 36,000 state employees working without pay. Services such as state police, prisons, mental hospitals and child welfare were to keep operating.


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So basically my State has fallen to Shit. Nobaody can vote or decide on a 2007 budget so Gov. Corzine is now shutting down a lot of the state. Come Wednesday (if the budget isn't voted on) most of NJ will be shutdown. As of now trains and buses are still in operation and should remain but all roadwork and flood clean up is kaput. Casinos are fighting to stay open state parks and beaches (state) are closed, so are Racetracks and our lottery.

A lot of people who rely on these jobs (some in my family) are being told not to show up for work Monday OR that they will be working for ummm free! I suck at tax and state spending etc etc and really hope Corzine knows what he is doing. I can't imagine this "shutdown" lasting beyoned Wednesday but its still frightning.

Can anyone shed some light on this subject. Has this happened in other states and really has it accomplished anything other than scaring the crap out of legislature and the populous?

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Edited, Jul 2nd 2006 at 5:53pm EDT by Soracloud
#2 Jul 02 2006 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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(edit - first and formost I hope the people you know aren't badly hurt - sorry they're going to have to endure this)

Ouch. I've seen this happen when one part of the gov't is held by one party, like the governor, and the house and senate are held by the other party. They usually figure they can blame the other side. In this case, NJ is pretty strongly Democrat, so... I guess Corzine is trying to use this as leverage to force the legistlature to act.

Governments do not spend money well or efficiently. Some esitmate that gov't overhead is so wasteful and bad that of everydollar in tax we pay, less than 25 cents is spent on a program (like maintaining roads, helping the poor w/ medical costs, whatever). Further, bureaucracies maintain an "if you don't blow out your budget by year-end you lose it" mentality - so bureaus find creative ways to waste money. Where I live, the road maintenance people pave sections of "roads to nowhere" - excessive amounts of freeway-grade machines are brought in to pave ridiculous little, narrow asphalt strips. The maximum money is "spent" - the budget is saved - and the crappy road they build to nowhere falls apart in 2-3 years. Other bureaus hire "consultants" and pay them $2000 an hour or more - often the only creativity you get from a bureacrat is in how they blow out their budget to save it.

So, these are the wonderful folks in whom we trust our noble dream of making the place better for everyone - sh*tty bureaucrats. It sickens me. If we could force gov't to be even reasonably efficient we could have more services and lower taxes.

California recently had an all-Dem gov't - and the Reps had ticked off Latinos so badly there was no hope of them ever coming back into power. Grey Davis, however, allowed out-of-control spending to occur. Voters rejected tax increases - and Grey was thrown out of office, replaced by the Snorkenator. I couldn't believe it, but it happened. I guess Dems are having serious troubles between their leftist and centrist elements - something.

The risk is that your NJ Dems end up looking so foolish (and doing so much harm) that you get a Rep governor again, maybe a Senator, too. As to it doing any good - no - it's a fight - this means they could not work this out before a deadline. It means something is wrong.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2006 at 6:06pm EDT by EvilGnomes
#3 Jul 02 2006 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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In NJ the assembly votes for joo
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#4 Jul 05 2006 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
T-Minus one hour and counting until Atlantic City casinos close their doors for the first time ever. Lottery and road work has been suspended for several days now and state parks and beaches will soon follow (if they haven't already).

Another big debate is Corzine wanting to raise sales tax from 6% - 7% and start taxing clothes. So far its a no go by a lot of NJ legislatures.
#5 Jul 05 2006 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
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You guys don't tax clothes?? Wow, must be nice. EVERYTHING is taxed here. But we don't have a state income tax.
#6 Jul 05 2006 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
Nadenu wrote:
You guys don't tax clothes?? Wow, must be nice. EVERYTHING is taxed here. But we don't have a state income tax.


We have insane property tax here though and thats what the increase is aimed at lowering.
#7 Jul 08 2006 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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The only time in two years that I manage to be in Atlantic City they shut down the casinos. I hate going North.
#8 Jul 08 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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New Jersey is fucking lame. Lame, lame, lame. It's like New York's slightly retarded, gay younger brother that we're ashamed of.
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#9 Jul 11 2006 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
EvilGnomes wrote:
Governments do not spend money well or efficiently. Some esitmate that gov't overhead is so wasteful and bad that of everydollar in tax we pay, less than 25 cents is spent on a program (like maintaining roads, helping the poor w/ medical costs, whatever).


Nations with socilized medicine spend less by far and are superior by any objective standard then medical care in the US.

Not that I am disagreeing with you: there are simply some things which private industry is so bad at that the government is going to be better. Generally, everyone agrees with this - it is just a question of how long their list of such things is. Electrical power, for example: we in left wing California tried deregulating the power industry and selling many power plants to private companies. Many were overcharged for years. That doesn't mean the state is really efficient at running power plants - or even that deregulation cannot work (as it has in many other states).
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