Judge throws out confessionFollow

In situations like this, i.e. children are involved, I think that people need to use common sense. I think when there is a chance that a childs life can be saved, or spared, the law should be lifted.

I know that makes me an oddball.

No, just a simpering hypocriate willing to sacrafice someone else's rights arbitrarily. Because a child being raped and killed is much worse than adult being raped and killed there should be diffrent laws. Also, if a white woman is kindapped the laws should be diffrent than if a black woman is.

In conjunction with the difference in media coverage?

Not what I said at all, but oh well.

You didn't say it was a techincality?

Oh wait, yes you did.

What is so ******* hard to understand about the fact that if you want to protect the rights of decent honest innocent people that you have to equally protect the rights of terrible murderous lunatic psychopaths BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY TO ******* TELL THE DIFFRENCE BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY ANYONE CAN BE PORTRAYED THAT WAY.

What's the confusing part?

The part where this is the *only* acceptable line of thinking, and looking for or wishing for ways other than that are sins against decent human beings? You're touching on matters of philosophy, and there is no absolute certain or best way for it. Only "What we think is best at the time." Which means that what is now will change for something later, for better or worse. Sitting there thumping your head against the wall saying "there is no better way, there is no better way" will just let more of the tmlp's slip through the system.

I understand that. My question is quite simply- why shouldn't people be asking questions in regards to finding a better way? Call me an optimist (or in asylum tradition, an cnut) but I don't see why I should agree to just take it in the *** for the sake of the system. (The justice department is raping me!!! But not leaving any marks.... wait, have I just been date-court-raped?)

The part where this is the *only* acceptable line of thinking, and looking for or wishing for ways other than that are sins against decent human beings? You're touching on matters of philosophy, and there is no absolute certain or best way for it. Only "What we think is best at the time." Which means that what is now will change for something later, for better or worse. Sitting there thumping your head against the wall saying "there is no better way, there is no better way" will just let more of the tmlp's slip through the system.


There is no better way because NO ONE ON THE PLANET can decide who the decent people are and who evil people are. Everytime one tries, innocent people suffer.

Every time throughout human history. Maybe though, you can see if you can convince everyone else on the planet that you should be the personal arbiter of good and evil so you can decide which people are entitled to protections applied to human beings and which ones can just be killed and burried in mass graves.

Let me know how that goes.

Seeing that you are, like me, a solutions-oriented individual, I await your proposal as to how and when defendants' rights should be violated for the greater good. That's the trouble. Without erring on the side of caution you cannot create a system which takes in all possible scenarios and deals with them justly. You put too much power and judgement into an individual's hands rather than relying on the law.

Edited, Jun 30th 2006 at 4:28pm EDT by Barkingturtle

I find reading entrails to be a very reliable way of telling if, deep down inside, someone's a good person.





Er, oops!

You're slippery sloping something I'm not even talking about. I'm not talking about wanting exceptions to the rules/law, I'm talking about wanting solutions insofar as preventing the guilty from slipping through. You're inferring that the *only* way to get one is through the other, and that line of thinking is why things like this happen.

Do I have a (modest) proposal to offer up in that respect? No. I admit that if everything were simple and there was no such thing as human error, this system is flawless.

However I see that human error and vice do allow for abuses of the system, and I'm asking: why shouldn't I ask for and why shouldn't I desire a better system?

Of course, I guess the simple solution is to nuke the whole planet (MAD scenarios are fun!) to take out the human element and leave behind powerful super-mutants, but somehow I don't think I'd get that resolution past Congress.

*edit* Well, maybe I could get it passed in the House...

Edited, Jun 30th 2006 at 4:52pm EDT by Althrun

Smash, don't ever agree with me - even indirectly.

It makes me feel unclean.

Now I have to go throw up for five hours.

It was a tendon, not an artery.

Since you didn't notice, this jerk off sacrificed his own rights by speaking up when he could have waited for an attorney.

Also, I do think that raping a child is FAR worse that raping an adult. An adult usually has had enough experience in life to recover from something like this (I know this is generalizing, and there are exceptions to every rule, but a vast majority of adult victims recover). They may have other issues to work out, but most likely they will be fine. A child cannot protect themselves like an adult. Often they grow up to attempt suicide multiple times, commit acts against others, including rape or molestation, drug addiciton, etc. I will always want the law to err on the side of the child. This isn't some stupid *** "my mommy hit me" crap. This is rape, kidnapping, and murder.

To address your second point, where do you get off trying to connnect race to protecting children? What that has to do with a woman/child being black or white, I have no idea. How can you even begin to come up with such a ridiculous statement, is beyond sane thought. I have NEVER thought that a law should be different based on race. For you to assume (remeber what you do when you assume) that I'd even begin to think that is idiotic. I can't stand when people like make statements like this. Drawing lines between protecting children to different laws for each race...what's next, denying that the U.S. is a Constitutional republic, and saying it's a socialist state?

I think the law should err on the side of the victim, but we should never forget that we are all innocent until proven guilty. In this case he confessed. He's guilty. Simple as that. It's his own fault if he gave his own dumb *** up without talking to an attorney.

Will we be excusing adult rapers tomorrow then, because "she was asking for it dressed like that?"

All the things you touched on as something a child would do as consequence of rape an adult would as well. Sick is sick but we deal with the severity of a crime by either codifing the crime as such (Misdimeanor, Felony etc.) or giving a person found guilty under our laws (and not just in your head) a worse sentence not by removing a suspects rights before they are found guilty (in which case they are no longer called a suspect).