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#1 Jun 29 2006 at 6:15 AM Rating: Decent
No, not the one where they lock up fifteen mentally retarded youngster in a house for 15 weeks, and then take pleasure in observing how they torture each other mentally.

The one where carrying a newspaper article can be considered to be a criminal offense.

Crazy stuff...


The Independent wrote:
Blair laid bare: the article that may get you arrested
In the guise of fighting terrorism and maintaining public order, Tony Blair's Government has quietly and systematically taken power from Parliament and the British people.

The author charts a nine-year assault on civil liberties that reveals the danger of trading freedom for security - and must have Churchill spinning in his grave.


In another example of the Government's draconian stance on political protest, Steven Jago, 36, a management accountant, yesterday became the latest person to be charged under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act.

On 18 June, Mr Jago carried a placard in Whitehall bearing the George Orwell quote: "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." In his possession, he had several copies of an article in the American magazine Vanity Fair headlined "Blair's Big Brother Legacy", which were confiscated by the police.

"The implication that I read from this statement at the time was that I was being accused of handing out subversive material," said Mr Jago. Yesterday, the author, Henry Porter, the magazine's London editor, wrote to Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, expressing concern that the freedom of the press would be severely curtailed if such articles were used in evidence under the Act.

Mr Porter said: "The police told Mr Jago this was 'politically motivated' material, and suggested it was evidence of his desire to break the law. I therefore seek your assurance that possession of Vanity Fair within a designated area is not regarded as 'politically motivated' and evidence of conscious law-breaking."

Scotland Yard has declined to comment.


This is just a snipet of the full article, which I highly reccoment if you have 5 minutes to spare. Its fascinating stuff.

Edited, Jun 29th 2006 at 7:54am EDT by RedPhoenixxxxxx
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#2 Jun 29 2006 at 6:46 AM Rating: Good
Looks like he fUcked with the forums civil liberties also
#3 Jun 29 2006 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah, sorry about that =/

It was all screwey, and this is what happened. And you cant delete threads?



Edit: I sent an email to Illia to see if she could delete the threads.

Edited, Jun 29th 2006 at 8:20am EDT by RedPhoenixxxxxx
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#4 Jun 29 2006 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
YAY! Canaduhian
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#7 Jun 29 2006 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxxxxx wrote:
Yeah, sorry about that =/

It was all screwey, and this is what happened. And you cant delete threads?



Edit: I sent an email to Illia to see if she could delete the threads.

Edited, Jun 29th 2006 at 8:20am EDT by RedPhoenixxxxxx


You didn't have to look too far to have the threads deleted.
#8 Jun 29 2006 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
Youshutup wrote:
I'd look to media dumbing down, the effectiveness of the use of scapegoats and the average apathy of your man on the street as the real indicator of the state of civil liberties in this country.


Well, I guess teh whole problem is about striking the right balance, which is not easy. I remember when I first read about the Patriot Act, thinking I was glad not to live in teh US since this Act smacked me as authoritarian.

But if you can be prosecuted because of a newspaper article you are carrying, and the "intent" that can be deducted from this article, then it opens to floogates to all kinds of crazy abuse.

One big problem in the UK is that there is no written constitution. There is the Human Rights Act which people whine about, but it is one hell of a safeguard against these kinds of abuse.

David Cameron's proposal of scrapping it is quite hilarious, since it would legally entail a withdrawal from the EU.

I just find weird how this government is so edgy about being criticised, and the length it is willing to go to not to have to listen to those criticisms. Using criminal law to protect yourself from it is completely outrageous in my opinion, and reminiscent of third-world coutries with dictators.
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