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#1 Jun 23 2006 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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So. We have this Polish Interpreter, and she's been around forever. She brings snacks, organizes all the parties, and she's like having an in-house grandma. Thing is she is also dead set in her ways, almost totally deaf, and falls asleep at random intervals. I adore her, and she is the bane of my professional existance because people either love or hate her, and half of the doctors refuse to work with her for fear they'll get sued. Recently I got the order that she has to go, and my boss and I interviewed replacements.

We had one accept: young, clean-cut, professional and certified, which my older interpreter is not. Since she has been around so long, she was grandfathered into the program, and she doesn't always adhere to procedure.

So my boss and I both wrestled with how to handle it and it comes down to this: neither of us can stand the thought of firing her, because we feel like ageists, but we also don't think she's capable of performing up to snuff. The new guy is coming in as a backup, and once he is in place, we expect nature to take its course and for her to eventually phase out. In anticipation of her demotion (in status if not in pay), I've asked her to stop occupying the desk she has had for years and store her things in the locked cabinet all other part-time Interpreters use. She won't. She stays at the desk all day, napping when she thinks I'm not looking. I've also asked her to enter her data into the computer instead of giving it to other folks to do for her. We're on the thrid day of her stalling me. She just left and promised she would try Monday, because she needs the extra time to concentrate.

On the one hand, I am aware she is giving me documentable reasons to fire her, and I'm almost grateful to have proof of her inability to complete her basic job functions. On the other, I know we are all headed down this road eventually, and I hate diminishing her sense of worth. Sooner rather than later I'm going to have to face the music, but I can't help feeling like an *** for it.

I suppose this is what management is about.
#2 Jun 23 2006 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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Now is she slow because she is old or because she is Polish?
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#3 Jun 23 2006 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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Got it in one. It is what management is all about.
Any chance you can find another position for her? Such as official party organizer?
#4REDACTED, Posted: Jun 23 2006 at 3:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL...
#5 Jun 23 2006 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
Your duty is to the shareholders of the company you work for. There is no compassion in that sort of thing. However, if she was eager to make changes and really showed that she wanted to be a part of the team, being a sensible human being, you could find another role for her. However, based on the description you have given she is an incompetant person all around and therefore needs to be given the boot ASAP.

That's my opinion from an ethical managment perspective.
#6 Jun 23 2006 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:

I suppose this is what management is about.


In a word: Yep.

Wait till you have to let someone with kids go because your boss messed up. The first firing is the hardest. It gets easier from here.

Buck up partner.
#7REDACTED, Posted: Jun 23 2006 at 3:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nephy,
#8 Jun 23 2006 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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How about firing a lifelong friend who is a single father who is suffering from cancer while at church for his wifes funeral with his children crying.

Can you beat that, can ya?
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#9 Jun 23 2006 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
Flea,

I feel your pain. I am going through the same experience with one of my reports. She has been in the department for three years and is elderly. But she has got to go. The first mistake was the previous supervisor who hired her in the first place. Her current job description is a contracts coordinator, for which she cannot perform any of the functions in her current description. She was delegated to doing basic clerical work. The previous supervisor left, because she burned herself out trying to do her job and the job of this other employee.

When I came on board, I requested another person, best they would give me was a contract employee with the option of hiring them permanent. In the interim we got a new CEO who put a kabash on new positions.

My boss wouldn't let me hire the contract employee and keep my permanent employee. It came down to her or my contract employee. She has been difficult to work with, argumentative and constantly questioning my authority. It's not a part of the job I relish to say the least, but I know it has to be done because I need someone who can perform ALL of the job functions.

Don't worry we won't smoke a **** in hell. It's just a sucky part of the job.
#10 Jun 23 2006 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
Now is she slow because she is old or because she is Polish?
Maybe both. Smiley: laugh


Hater. Smiley: glare

Jonwin wrote:
Got it in one. It is what management is all about.
Any chance you can find another position for her? Such as official party organizer?
I think that we're just going to assign the other guy to our Rehab facility, since they are the ones that have the most issues with working with her and actually only use the Agency right now. I suspect she may be happy with the lighter workload, since she spends a lot of her time now sitting and napping.

achileez wrote:
stuff I didn't read
Whatever, ***. Like I care what you have to say.

Eldy & Nepth wrote:
useful stuff

Thanks, guys. I'm going to wait and see how she takes the announcement. I just wish I didn't have to yell everything into her ear. Come to think of it, I may ask her if she's considered a hearing aid. Maybe that would help.
#11REDACTED, Posted: Jun 23 2006 at 3:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bhodi,
#12 Jun 23 2006 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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achileez wrote:
bhodi,

that's rough man

achileez


Rough?

The man was messing with my profit by taking personal days, he had it coming!
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#13 Jun 23 2006 at 3:25 PM Rating: Good
Queen bodhisattva wrote:
How about firing a lifelong friend who is a single father who is suffering from cancer while at church for his wifes funeral with his children crying.

Can you beat that, can ya?
Only poor managers fire people at church. Good managers usually do it on a Friday at the end of the day.
#14REDACTED, Posted: Jun 23 2006 at 3:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You actually fired someone at there wifes funeral?
#15 Jun 23 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't doubt you have a healthy respect for long experience in a workplace, and are understanding of the limitations that age imposes.

I've worked myself with many retired persons on a volunteer basis and have learned tricks of trades, work methods and ethics, and many other seriously beneficial things from them. As a coordinator I often prefered the slow and steady over industrious youth.

But when any person ceases to be capable of performing the job that is required of them (or just refuses), then it's time for them to do something different.

Age is not the issue, competence is. A workplace is a workplace.

Refusing to do my job or to accept the fact that I'm not capable of completing the tasks that my position requires is arrogance.

#16 Jun 23 2006 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
How about firing a lifelong friend who is a single father who is suffering from cancer while at church for his wifes funeral with his children crying.

Can you beat that, can ya?
I can and will. Anything you can do, I can do better.

Spirish wrote:
Flea,

I feel your pain. I am going through the same experience with one of my reports. She has been in the department for three years and is elderly. But she has got to go.
If only she weren't so ornery. I asked her to stash stuff in the cabinet, and she told me that she had had that desk for 10 years, and she would fight for it. I mean, WTF!?!?!

Edit: The other day I asked her about a patient and I referred to one of our floors by its common nickname: 2 North. She said "What, a tubal?" as in 'tubal ligation'. Not only was the floor I was referring to NOT our Gyno floor, the patient wasn't even a woman. My stomach dropped as I realized that, not speaking fluent Polish myself, I can't even tell what she's saying to patients and whether or not it even resembles what the doctors say.

I'm going to do an eval of her (it's time for her yearly) and use a telephonic interpreter to gauge her accuracy. I'm sure she'll flip.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2006 at 4:34pm EDT by Atomicflea
#17 Jun 23 2006 at 3:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
she told me that she had had that desk for 10 years, and she would fight for it. I mean, WTF!?!?!
You should have said "Ok!" then clocked her in the mouth.

"Wanna fight for it now?? Do ya??"
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#18 Jun 23 2006 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
she told me that she had had that desk for 10 years, and she would fight for it. I mean, WTF!?!?!
You should have said "Ok!" then clocked her in the mouth.

"Wanna fight for it now?? Do ya??"


1) Fire her on the account that she's a Pollock and tell her to try to hold you liable for discrimination. I'd pay for tickets for that trial.

2) Joph, are you SURE you know Flea? She'd be more apt to say "Bring it bi[Coral][/Coral]tch, I'll cut j00"
#19 Jun 23 2006 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
"Wanna fight for it now?? Do ya??"
You Polish are the bane of my existance!!!
#20 Jun 23 2006 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
she told me that she had had that desk for 10 years, and she would fight for it. I mean, WTF!?!?!
You should have said "Ok!" then clocked her in the mouth.

"Wanna fight for it now?? Do ya??"


Flea says, "I'll cut you, *****!"
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#21 Jun 23 2006 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
Samira wrote:
Flea says, "I'll cut you, *****!"


Kool-aid! Smiley: mad
#22 Jun 23 2006 at 3:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
Samira wrote:
Flea says, "I'll cut you, *****!"


Kool-aid! Smiley: mad


Mine was better. Smiley: tongue
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#23 Jun 23 2006 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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You actually fired someone at there wifes funeral?

Sorry that's just wrong; why not fire him at work when he's not doing what he's supposed to be.



I think I was being too nice. I should have fired him when he was taking all that time off when his wife was dying.
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#24 Jun 23 2006 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
she told me that she had had that desk for 10 years, and she would fight for it. I mean, WTF!?!?!
You should have said "Ok!" then clocked her in the mouth.

"Wanna fight for it now?? Do ya??"

"Well, if we're gonna do this, let's lay down some rules."

"Rules? There are no rules in a duel!"

*kick to the groin*
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#25 Jun 23 2006 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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Butch Cassidy wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
she told me that she had had that desk for 10 years, and she would fight for it. I mean, WTF!?!?!
You should have said "Ok!" then clocked her in the mouth.

"Wanna fight for it now?? Do ya??"

"Well, if we're gonna do this, let's lay down some rules."

"Rules? There are no rules in a duel!"

*kick to the groin*



/nod
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#26 Jun 23 2006 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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While its a fristrating situation, you have a job to do as does everyone else. Hers is very important as it entails translating medical issues for others who can not speak english. You just can not mess up on that. Also, attitude you're writing about is not justifiable. Why dont yu get a notebook and catalogue anytime somethng like this comes up. Note it, date it, and bring it to her examination. If her examination comes back less than stellar, you can your boss could (if you want to try and be nice) offer her the option of part time like youve been trying to steer her to. Let her know someone is already prepared for the full time position. If she refuses, then tell her the only other option is early retirement.
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