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#27 Jun 23 2006 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Vensuvio wrote:
Why does it seem that many people connect sexual attachment so intimately with [emotional] connection in such a way that having sex with anyone else seems such a terrible thing?
Because so many people do place that much emotional investiture in physical intimacy?

If you want to dork multiple people, have at it. Just be sure to find partners who are okay with that.
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#28 Jun 23 2006 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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If you want to dork multiple people
Golly, gee whiz Joph! I've never seen someone use language that strong before! Smiley: yikes
#29 Jun 23 2006 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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Vensuvio wrote:
Why does it seem that many people connect sexual attachment so intimately with emothinal connection in such a way that having sex with anyone else seems such a terrible thing? I would think that if you can't meet all your needs with one person then having a purely sexual relationship with another person would solve your issue.
I'm gonna go a bit further than Joph and state that if sex has no emotional attachement for you, you wouldn't and shouldn't place yourself in an exclusive relationship, be it dating someone exclusively or marrying them. What's the point?
#30 Jun 23 2006 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Vensuvio wrote:
Why does it seem that many people connect sexual attachment so intimately with emothinal connection in such a way that having sex with anyone else seems such a terrible thing? I would think that if you can't meet all your needs with one person then having a purely sexual relationship with another person would solve your issue.
I'm gonna go a bit further than Joph and state that if sex has no emotional attachement for you, you wouldn't and shouldn't place yourself in an exclusive relationship, be it dating someone exclusively or marrying them. What's the point?
I disagree. I married my wife and it really had little to do with the sex. She is my life partner and will be forever, but I have been far more sexually attracted to other women. This doesn't mean that I am going to cheat on her, it just means that a strong sexual attaction does not make a relationship.

Different strokes for different folks.


Edit: It could be more described as a strong 2-way friendship where we always want to be with one another, have the same direction in life, want to make one another happy, want to raise children, etc, but it's not about animal sexual attraction. I save that for the Allafemmes. Smiley: sly

Edited, Jun 23rd 2006 at 2:54pm EDT by Elderon
#31 Jun 23 2006 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
if sex has no emotional attachement for you, you wouldn't and shouldn't place yourself in an exclusive relationship, be it dating someone exclusively or marrying them. What's the point?

Regular and reliable access to snatch?
#32 Jun 23 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Vensuvio wrote:
Why does it seem that many people connect sexual attachment so intimately with emothinal connection in such a way that having sex with anyone else seems such a terrible thing? I would think that if you can't meet all your needs with one person then having a purely sexual relationship with another person would solve your issue.


Personally, I've never wanted to have sex with someone that I didn't have a very strong emotional attachment to. I know that's not how everyone works, but to each their own. I just don't work that way.

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#33 Jun 23 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
And we laughed; compared notes
We had a drink, we had a smoke
She took off her overcoat...


Did Joph really just quote Jill Sobule? Maybe you should take Nobby's test again and anwser honestly this time.

BTW I think I broke the test, it kept telling me to refer to Sabo's results.
#34 Jun 23 2006 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
I disagree. I married my wife and it really had little to do with the sex. She is my life partner and will be forever, but I have been far more sexually attracted to other women. This doesn't mean that I am going to cheat on her, it just means that a strong sexual attaction does not make a relationship.
Not what I meant at all. You actually proved my point. You have an emotional attachement to what would otherwise simply be a sexual arrangement. You don't cheat because in some way, you care for her (emotional) or you don't see yourself as a cheater (moral, which is pretty much an emotional connection to one's self-image).

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Regular and reliable access to snatch?
Nope. That can be obtained without commitment.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2006 at 3:10pm EDT by Atomicflea
#35 Jun 23 2006 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
Personally, I've never wanted to have sex with someone that I didn't have a very strong emotional attachment to. I know that's not how everyone works, but to each their own. I just don't work that way.
I'm the same way. One of my worst sexual experiences ever involved some "goodbye" sex. It wasn't even that the sex itself was awful, it was that I felt so awful for performing the act with someone I didn't love anymore.
#36 Jun 23 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Grandmother baelnic wrote:
Did Joph really just quote Jill Sobule? Maybe you should take Nobby's test again and anwser honestly this time.
Are you thinking I might be a lesbian?
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#37 Jun 23 2006 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Nexa wrote:
Personally, I've never wanted to have sex with someone that I didn't have a very strong emotional attachment to. I know that's not how everyone works, but to each their own. I just don't work that way.
I'm the same way. One of my worst sexual experiences ever involved some "goodbye" sex. It wasn't even that the sex itself was awful, it was that I felt so awful for performing the act with someone I didn't love anymore.
This is where we differ then, I will have sex with just about any girl I find somewhat sexually attractive. I wouldn't dream of a meaningful relationship with a lot of the women I've slept with. <Insert obligatory giggidy goo here>
#38 Jun 23 2006 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Grandmother baelnic wrote:
Did Joph really just quote Jill Sobule? Maybe you should take Nobby's test again and anwser honestly this time.
Are you thinking I might be a lesbian?

I have my suspicions.

#39 Jun 23 2006 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Are you thinking I might be a lesbian?


Please tell me you have a flat top or perhaps some spikey hair? Smiley: inlove Smiley: lol
#40 Jun 23 2006 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Grandmother baelnic wrote:
Did Joph really just quote Jill Sobule? Maybe you should take Nobby's test again and anwser honestly this time.
Are you thinking I might be a lesbian?

I have my suspicions.
That makes you a pseudo-lesbian by association then. Smiley: dubious

That's hawt.
#41 Jun 23 2006 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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Vensuvio wrote:
emothinal


Lisp?


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#42 Jun 23 2006 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
This is where we differ then, I will have sex with just about any girl I find somewhat sexually attractive. I wouldn't dream of a meaningful relationship with a lot of the women I've slept with. <Insert obligatory giggidy goo here>
Not surprising. It's the stereotypical difference between men and women, and, based on our personas I'd assume that you and I are on polar opposites of the gender scale.

I'm not implying that sex HAS to be within the context of a meaningful relationship. What I do hold to is that once that decision is made, it's pretty pointless to enter an agreement to have a monogamous relationship with the intent to go elsewhere for your sexual satisfaction. Not many people draw the "cheating" line at soul-baring conversation, but I bet more than a few draw it at doggie-style sex, emotional involvement or no.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2006 at 3:36pm EDT by Atomicflea
#43 Jun 23 2006 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
This is where we differ then, I will have sex with just about any girl I find somewhat sexually attractive. I wouldn't dream of a meaningful relationship with a lot of the women I've slept with. <Insert obligatory giggidy goo here>
Not surprising. It's the stereotypical difference between men and women, and, based on our personas I'd assume that you and I are on polar opposites of the gender scale.

I'm not implying that sex HAS to be within the context of a meaningful relationship. What I do hold to is that once that decision is made, it's pretty pointless to enter an agreement to have a monogamous relationship with the intent to go elsewhere for your sexual satisfaction. Not may people draw the "cheating" line at soul-baring conversation, but I bet more than a few draw it at doggie-style sex, emotional involvement or no.
I've never been the trendy type..


As an aside, the swinger movement seems to be in full up-swing these days. It's becoming even more commonplace than many would have ever suspected. (I'd cite that statement, but I'm at work.) Perhaps there are more people who think like me. Austin powers had it right all along baby. Yeah!




Edited, Jun 23rd 2006 at 3:39pm EDT by Elderon
#44 Jun 23 2006 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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#45 Jun 23 2006 at 4:01 PM Rating: Default
Emotional committment is all fine and dandy (and oft can make the sex better if it isn't even the most satisfying part of a relationship), but what's with the denial [not to mention the not even so subtle judgement] about animal sexual attraction? Putting emotion on a pedestal is putting the biological baggage cart before the horse.

<nayyyyy_horse_sound_front_back_and_side_to_side>

I think "emotional committment" is too often used as mental prozac. Jawbox's regular access to snatch comment was far too swiftly dismissed, when it could very well accurately depict the vast majority of relationships. What about all those people out there who don't get or aren't currently with their first choice partner? "If you can't love the one you want, love the one you're with?" That's a lie and a croc brewed from the same mental prozac secretion.

Watch some PBS mammal documentaries. Cheating has a biological purpose. Committment is an artifical social construction that has evolved in strict darwinian fashion. Societies with rules against adultery were more prosperous than those without such rules. And it's easy to understand why. Care eminates from the other's suppresion of outside animal sexual instinct. That's easily proved by the opposite reaction to cheating. Exclusive private property pwnership of the partner's sexuality breeds prosperity, care, and emotional committment. But that doesn't necessarily maximize an individual's happiness, at least on an unbroken time continuum.

And don't forget about fantasy as well. It would be such fun to vividly explore in eplicit detail your partner's sexual fantasies with people you might know. Well, maybe not for the majority. Jealousy and excessive jealousy like to rear their ugly heads now and then.

What I wonder is how current times compare to past times in the percentage of the population tying committment knots while having had mutliple previous sexual partners. At least in some if not the majority of cultures virginity is an increasingly rarer commodity before long-term committment. What are the cannotlinktod {word was x-tern-al, who knew I couldn't link *that*} and subconscious emotional effects of not saving oneself for their true love for both oneself and one's partner? Some b.s. "maturity" excuse? Not to mention how about the generations growing up with the internet having vivid record of past thoughts and other (hehe) things. Pornography, and that might very well include discussions such as this, of all forms has literaly exploded in the last few decades, for good or bad, or both.

Edited, Jun 24th 2006 at 2:13am EDT by MonxDoT
#46 Jun 23 2006 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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Emotional committment is all fine and dandy (and oft can make the sex better if it isn't even the most satisfying part of a relationship), but what's with the denial [not to mention the not even so subtle judgement] about animal sexual attraction? Putting emotion on a pedestal is putting the biological baggage cart before the horse.

Your entire post is sheer idiocy. Now that's judgement.
#47 Jun 23 2006 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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I would think people would get burnt out a bit faster in a relationship if they felt they could only have sex with the single person they're involved with at the moment.
#48 Jun 23 2006 at 4:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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MonxDoT wrote:
Watch some PBS mammal documentaries. Cheating has a biological purpose.
So does killing the old, feeble and sick. Smiley: tongue

Again, if you want to madly hump lots of things like a dog and spread your seed hither and yon, go for it. Just make sure your humpees know what you're all about.

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#49 Jun 23 2006 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Vensuvio wrote:
I would think people would get burnt out a bit faster in a relationship if they felt they could only have sex with the single person they're involved with at the moment.

Monogamy's a bi[black][/black]tch, ainnit?
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#50 Jun 23 2006 at 4:33 PM Rating: Default
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Again, if you want to madly hump lots of things like a dog and spread your seed hither and yon, go for it. Just make sure your humpees know what you're all about.


Cheating is not about honesty lol. There's no way such brutally honest disclosure will occur. Why would someone who is in various degrees using another as a piece of meat risk giving up their piece of meat by such disclosure? It's not gonna happen for the same reason partners don't disclose before they cheat that they are going to cheat. Knowing a person is a process, not omniscient telepathic scanning. Seeing a wave of friends get married shows the rat race sugar coated in all the niceities. Biological clock pressure, desperation, are just as real as falling in love. No need to put a fictitious facade over the bare biological bottom.
#51 Jun 23 2006 at 4:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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No need to put a fictitious facade over the bare biological bottom.


Well, apparently there is if "there's no way such brutally honest disclosure will occur."

But then again you're nuts, so whatever.
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