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#1 Jun 21 2006 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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More encouraging words from Tony Bliar's puppet-master Smiley: grin

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The US 'wants to end Guantanamo'

US President George W Bush has outlined his position on the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, which he says he "would like to end".

Mr Bush pledged to send many detainees back to their home countries, but said he wanted to put some on trial because they were "cold-blooded killers".

Mr Bush said he understood European concerns over the US detention camp in Cuba.

"I'd like to end Guantanamo. I'd like it to be over with," he said.

But he added that there were some detainees "who need to be tried in US courts".

"They will murder somebody if they are let out on the street."


Excellent News! Here's hoping trials can be arranged promptly (there's been plenty of time to build cases against the terrorists), mete out justice to the guilty and send the other buggers back where they came from.

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#2 Jun 21 2006 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Mr Bush pledged to send many detainees back to their home countries,


Of course the whole process of rendition needs to be addressed. Since it has generated almost as much negative press as Gitmo.
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#3 Jun 21 2006 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
Of course the whole process of rendition needs to be addressed. Since it has generated almost as much negative press as Gitmo.
The difference being that half of the Western World has supported rendition.

I don't agree with it, but other Heads of State need to pony up on that, not just his Dubyaness.

It's exclusively within his gift to close Gitmo , and IMHO he's said what I wanted to hear. Trials and closure. Sorted (when it happens).
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#4 Jun 21 2006 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Hopefully time will prove me wrong but I still feel this is nothing more than Bush telling the public what they want to hear, while he takes no action to make it happen.

I think the most apparent example is the US ban on Canadian beef. A number of times he has assured Canadians that he wants nothing more than to resolve the issue and remove the ban but has to allow things to go through the red tape. However anyone that pays even the slightest attention sees that he does his best to use the red tape to slow down the resolution process. In the meantime though he has switched the heat off himself and allowed for a near unlimited stall.
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#5 Jun 21 2006 at 10:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I heard his head speech writer is quitting after 7 years and such gems as the 9/11 speeches and the references to "evil empires". I wonder if this is why I, like Nobby, am feeling decidedly more mellow when it comes to Bush.


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#6 Jun 21 2006 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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I like Nobby
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#7 Jun 21 2006 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Who the hell was his speech writer, anyway? (I know, it's tempting to say "Scorcese", but resist - unless it really is.)

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#8 Jun 21 2006 at 10:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Who the hell was his speech writer, anyway? (I know, it's tempting to say "Scorcese", but resist - unless it really is.)
I assumed it was Bin Laden until a week ago.

Couldn't have tailored em better if he tried.
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#9 Jun 21 2006 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
I like Nobby
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Smiley: laugh

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Who the hell was his speech writer, anyway?

This guy,Michael Gerson.
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#10 Jun 21 2006 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Still considering all his previous actions and the fact that he is trying to do damage control for the upcoming elections I can't see this as anything more than a gesture with no real effort behind it because he knows it will be held up in the courts until after the election and even if called to stand by earlier statements he will weasel out like with the whole Rove/Plame thing or resort to rendition.

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#11 Jun 21 2006 at 10:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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run on sentance much?
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#12 Jun 21 2006 at 10:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Still considering all his previous actions and the fact that he is trying to do damage control for the upcoming elections I can't see this as anything more than a gesture with no real effort behind it because he knows it will be held up in the courts until after the election and even if called to stand by earlier statements he will weasel out like with the whole Rove/Plame thing or resort to rendition.

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#13 Jun 21 2006 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I think the improvements have more to do with what the libs liked to call "a rearranging of the deck chairs." There was probably a serious re-assessment of administration strategy when Josh Bolten came on as Chief of Staff.

But I'm sure the toned down rhetoric and acknowledgement of past mistakes are also influenced by the current political pressures of mid-term elections.
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#14 Jun 21 2006 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Queen bodhisattva wrote:
Still considering all his previous actions and the fact that he is trying to do damage control for the upcoming elections I can't see this as anything more than a gesture with no real effort behind it because he knows it will be held up in the courts until after the election and even if called to stand by earlier statements he will weasel out like with the whole Rove/Plame thing or resort to rendition.

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#15 Jun 21 2006 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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The change of heart is because the crazy fanatics have turned it into a super-slick PR machine, and are using it to commit acts of wars.

And it's in commy Cuba.

Bastards...

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#16 Jun 21 2006 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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What I need is sleep.

1) Bush and his Administration have been the driving force behind Gitmo and the current take on 'torture' vs 'abuse'. Especially Rumsfield who has been actively involved in Gitmo.

2)Bush has always defended Rumsfield and the need for Gitmo. It has had nothing but his support.

3)To quote Jawbox "But I'm sure the toned down rhetoric and acknowledgement of past mistakes are also influenced by the current political pressures of mid-term elections."

Bush has in the past dealt with political problem issues by passing blame off to various branches of the government. "I feel the same way as you do about it. However I must wait for the [:insert courts/investigation/nafta :] etc before I can do anything about it" This move buys him time to et the subject get out of the spotlight and helps with the swing voters.

My position is that if you feel this is a genuine move that will net any actual results then you are a rube.

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#17 Jun 21 2006 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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run on sentance much?


Yeah bodhi. How dare you use uncoreckt speeling and grammer. Smiley: disappointed
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Jawbox wrote:
I think the improvements have more to do with what the libs liked to call "a rearranging of the deck chairs." There was probably a serious re-assessment of administration strategy when Josh Bolten came on as Chief of Staff.

But I'm sure the toned down rhetoric and acknowledgement of past mistakes are also influenced by the current political pressures of mid-term elections.
I'm telling you, between the softer speechifying, the pandering to the minority public's concerns, the pressing for legislation that gets blocked and then dropped as lifeless as a grandmother's sagging bazooms and the fact that he apologizes more than a Kennedy, I'm almost starting to feel like Dubbya's one of us!!! Smiley: laugh

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#19 Jun 21 2006 at 10:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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My position is that if you feel this is a genuine move that will net any actual results then you are a rube.
I'm sure that coming from you, us rubes can't help but be deeply ashamed of our ability to still hope for resolution and put hope in an individual that has repeatedly shown no true possibility of change.

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#20 Jun 21 2006 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I understand what you're saying Bhodi, and you're right that only time will tell if words will ever translate into action.

But at the same time, Bush has been bashed endlessly for not acknowledging mistakes, not addressing the concerns of others, being stubborn and headstrong in the face of opposition, etc. This change in rhetoric should at least pacify those concerns. It's at least a start, something smarter people (like Nobby) might choose to praise and encourage.


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#21 Jun 21 2006 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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I really do need sleep. Your last post almost made sense.
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#22 Jun 21 2006 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Jawbox wrote:
smarter people (like Nobby).
Fu[Aqua][/Aqua]ck Off!
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#23 Jun 21 2006 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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However if the admittance of fault is nothing more than a political move with no real drive to correct the mistake, but rather to just get some votes and bury the issue then why get excited?

(I'm literally going on 3 hours sleep and no coffee so speak slow for me)
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#24 Jun 21 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
However if the admittance of fault is nothing more than a political move with no real drive to correct the mistake, but rather to just get some votes and bury the issue then why get excited?

I don't know, maybe because the international uproar over Iraq and Gitmo is a litte louder and harder to ignore than the international uproar over Canadian beef.

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#25 Jun 21 2006 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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How about Plame? Acknowledges that it was wrong, promises action will be taken if links found. Many months later when the public had forgotten about it and evidence comes up showing that Rove did in fact leak the information he changes his stance and requires an actual criminal offence.

I'm sure if I cared to do a little more digging I could find a couple more variations of the basic pattern. By admitting that there is a problem and passing a resolution off to a source other than himself (but that he can control) he saves political face while maintaining a grey area where he can maintain his untenable policy that was the issue in the first place.

Edit - Oh and rate ups to Nobby and AF, **** on whoever is camping them.

Edited, Jun 21st 2006 at 12:12pm EDT by bodhisattva
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