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#1 Jun 19 2006 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
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A little while back myself and a few others made the case that the accuser, an exotic dancer, was in fact a *****. Several people scoffed at that idea and defended her "profession" and claimed that just because she went to private residences without a bodyguard that did not mean she was a prostitute. Well, Newsweek has come out with an article laying out the particulars of the case based on court documents and interviews. As for her being a ho? You decide:

"She had had sexual intercourse with at least two men in the past week and told of "performing" for a couple by using a small vibrator." (page 2)

Even if she wasn't paid for doing the dirty deed, getting pipe laid in her gooch by two dudes in a week and boning herself (is that exotic dancing??) with a electric ***** for strangers meets the standard for whorish behavior in my book.

The article goes on to detail the travesty of misjustice that has been fomented due to a white man's political aspirations and a black community's collective guilt in allowing reverse racism to continue. Moreover, one of the accused men has already felt the impact of being wrongfully pointed out in a ficticious crime: he has lost a job offer that he had landed for when he graduated this spring. Nice going, *****. Way to mess up not only your life, but the lives of your kids, and perfect strangers.

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#2 Jun 20 2006 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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All things considered, I still think the idea of throwing out a case because you think "all strippers are also prostitutes" is pretty fuc[Aqua][/Aqua]king stupid. So I don't know what your point is.

There's a reason that we have trials to sort these things out.
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Several people scoffed at that idea and defended her "profession" and claimed that just because she went to private residences without a bodyguard that did not mean she was a prostitute.
The other half of that argument was that, even if she was a prostitute, that does not give anyone the right to rape her.
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#4 Jun 20 2006 at 12:52 AM Rating: Good
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Backatcha, Eske. You somehow missed what should be obvious to even the reader of primers. For your sake and your poor comprehension skills, I said exotic dancers with no muscle, no back up. Comprende, muchacho? Your affection for strippers notwithstanding, hence, I suspect, your quick rise to their collective defense, is not an issue-- although a case can certainly be made that selling your body for viewing is just a small step removed from allowing copius ***** fluid from filling your "exotic dancing" mother's quim. I think you'd agree in a moment of perfect and brutal honesty, that white stuff running down her leg is not the product of a nasty yeast infection, despite what you've been telling yourself.

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#5 Jun 20 2006 at 1:02 AM Rating: Good
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Except, FleaJo, it is appearing more and more that no rape ever took place, at least not by any Duke lacrosse players. Whether or not the normal vaginal bruising that took place consitutes rape is a question better asked of her previous partners-- both of whom, by the way, ejaculated in her ******. Never mind no **** or oral wounding was seen despite the claims of 20, uhh, no, 2, umm, I mean 3, yeah, 3 Duke lacrosse players just raped her.

Even your objection points to the insidious reversal of assumption of guilt here in the US. By virtue that the accuser is either black or a woman-- or better yet, both --the alleged offenders are likely guilty. I find it interesting that you stick to your argument that a stripper shouldn't be raped, yet you fail to mention that white Duke men shouldn't be falsely accused. The stripper's honor apparently trumps a miscarriage of justice, at least in terms of your thought priorities. Indeed, the lacrosse players guilt wasn't even an issue based on the lack of any discussion by you.

Care to clarify or correct me?

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#6 Jun 20 2006 at 4:16 AM Rating: Decent
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The other half of that argument was that, even if she was a prostitute, that does not give anyone the right to rape her.


Half?

That was the whole argument.

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Except, FleaJo, it is appearing more and more that no rape ever took place, at least not by any Duke lacrosse players.


No, it's not. It's becoming more and more apparent that the media is sympathetic to rich white boys. Shocking. If the woman was blonde and from Darien CT they'd have been hung by now.

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#8 Jun 20 2006 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
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To+em wrote:
Even if she wasn't paid for doing the dirty deed, getting pipe laid in her gooch by two dudes in a week and boning herself (is that exotic dancing??) with a electric ***** for strangers meets the standard for whorish behavior in my book.


Prude.
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#9 Jun 20 2006 at 7:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Care to clarify or correct me?
There's nothing to clarify or correct: Whether or not any woman is a saintly blossom of virtue or a slovenly guttersnipe, no one has the right to rape her. Unless you're arguing that there are times when it's okay to rape a woman, I hope we're in agreement on this point.

I'm not saying these men did, I'm saying that nothing would have given them the right to do so, therefore the fact that she didn't have a bodyguard or may be a ***** doesn't impress me. As for this case in particular, I haven't really followed it as of late and don't much care, so your assumptions of me wanting to accuse these men of anything are misplaced.

Should the men be falsely accused? Nope. But that's not the trial right now. I sure hope that, should one of the players press charges, you will vocally defend that this woman is innocent until proven guilty with the same passion that you've defended the players Smiley: grin
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#10 Jun 20 2006 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Moreover, when you consider these two women had no muscle to watch over them at this gig, doesn't that automatically mean they are free lance whores?
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Duh...



EDIT: Didn't nestle the quote properly

Edited, Jun 22nd 2006 at 11:02am EDT by Molish
#11 Jun 20 2006 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5098316.stm

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Legislation to stop rape complainants from being unfairly questioned about their sexual history in court is not working, a report has concluded.

The changes introduced in 2000 meant evidence of past behaviour could not be put before a jury in England and Wales unless relevant to the case.

The Home Office study said the rules were frequently "ignored or avoided".

It said there had been "no discernible effect" on reducing the number of failed prosecutions.


Apparently, the defence Barrister is no longer allowed to start cross-examining the complainant with the phrase "You're a **** aren't you? A regular little Al'Katie"

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#12 Jun 20 2006 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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No, it's not. It's becoming more and more apparent that the media is sympathetic to rich white boys. Shocking. If the woman was blonde and from Darien CT they'd have been hung by now.



Haha, you don't watch Bill O'Rielly or Nancy Grace now do you? These boys have been put through hell with thier names in the media, faces exposed to the public. Meanwhile, this girl has had her name protected, face hidden even though it seems more and more apparent there is not enough evidence to even give these boys a slap on the wrist.

It would seem that they will not be found guilty of anything. I hope so much that they press charges right back and sully this girls name as she has done to each of these men.

Though of course, if they are found guilty and thier is evidence of that, then may justice come swiftly to these men.
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#13 Jun 20 2006 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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These boys have been put through hell with thier names in the media, faces exposed to the public. Meanwhile, this girl has had her name protected, face hidden even though it seems more and more apparent there is not enough evidence to even give these boys a slap on the wrist.


It's not apparent at all. Which is the point about the media.

Good that you've come to a conclusion from what the media spoon feeds you though. You're the edmographic, congratulations.



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#14 Jun 20 2006 at 10:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Though of course, if they are found guilty and thier is evidence of that, then may justice come swiftly to these men.


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#15 Jun 20 2006 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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Haha, you don't watch Bill O'Rielly or Nancy Grace now do you?


Umm, hell no.

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#16 Jun 20 2006 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
Whether or not the normal vaginal bruising that took place

Jesus Christ. I fu[Aquamarine][/Aquamarine]cking hope it's not normal (no pun intended)! Who the hell teaches these kids how to have sex? Where's the finesse? It's sad, I tell you.

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I find it interesting that you stick to your argument that a stripper shouldn't be raped, yet you fail to mention that white Duke men shouldn't be falsely accused.
I find it interesting that you think one has to do with the other. Each argument stands alone on its own merit. I've never stated that I think it's wrong to take change out of a homeless man's cup to pay for my paper, or to tongue-kiss a six-year-old, but you can safely assume that yes, even though never previously stated by me, I think both are teh bad bad wrongness.
#17 Jun 20 2006 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Totem wrote:
Whether or not the normal vaginal bruising that took place

Jesus Christ. I fu[Aquamarine][/Aquamarine]cking hope it's not normal (no pun intended)! Who the hell teaches these kids how to have sex? Where's the finesse? It's sad, I tell you.


Well, when you're with Totem and his Black Mamba, you get teh bruises Smiley: frown[:buthurt:]
#18 Jun 20 2006 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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First off, the ****** bruises to some extent no matter how gentle the lovemaking is. That is the product of bumpin' uglies.

Second, each argument does stand on their own merits. On that I agree with you, FleaJo1. However, the OP was about the flimsiness of the entire case, of which it appears to be an even more untenable case to try as each detail comes to light. Rather than comment on that-- which is the focus of the Newsweek article --FleaJo2 made note of the stripper's rights, to wit rape is still wrong. It was my contention that by even bringing that up it could conceivably show that regardless of the preponderance of the evidence out there, the stripper is being given the benefit of the doubt, when as the accused, it's the Duke lacrosse players who should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Particularly due to what we know about strippers who go into gigs without muscle, ie they are not strippers, but rather whores. Whores generally don't get raped, they are being paid to take whatever abuse their client has the sexual needs to fulfill. In other words, gentle tender lovin' isn't what paid sex is about. Rather, it's about doing whatever the john has in mind, which I suspect is plain ol' jackhammer ********. No foreplay, no preliminaries.

Based on all of the above, considering she took cash from the LAX players, had there been sex involved (which increasingly looks very doubtful) one can assume correctly it wouldn't have been rape but a bought and paid-for sexual union. That's prostitution, not rape.

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Totem wrote:
Particularly due to what we know about strippers who go into gigs without muscle, ie they are not strippers, but rather whores. Whores generally don't get raped, they are being paid to take whatever abuse their client has the sexual needs to fulfill. In other words, gentle tender lovin' isn't what paid sex is about. Rather, it's about doing whatever the john has in mind, which I suspect is plain ol' jackhammer ********. No foreplay, no preliminaries.



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regardless of the preponderance of the evidence out there, the stripper is being given the benefit of the doubt
Well... yeah.

Typical logic is that, right or wrong, the plantiff is at least sincere in their belief that a crime was committed against them. If it proves otherwise, you can take them to task for false reports, perjury, etc but, if the base assumption was that the plantiff was always lying, we wouldn't get far in court.

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#21 Jun 20 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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No, no, no, no, NO! Innocent until proven guilty, except in the case of Kobe Bryant. And that's just because I hate the Lakers. The assumption of truth is supposed to rest on the side of the accused. Even more so when what evidence that has come out points to the accuser as being a highly uncredible witness.

Uncredible, is that word? Incredible, yes, discredited, yes, but uncredible? Sounds funny to me.

And no, I am not gbaji's sock, although I agree with him oft times. But I hardly need to defend him-- he does a fine job of that himself in a long winded way.

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No, no, no, no, NO! Innocent until proven guilty
No one is arguing that. I never said the plantiff was correct, just that they are sincere. If you started by assuming the plantiff was lying, you wouldn't need a court case now would you?
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#23 Jun 20 2006 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
First off, the ****** bruises to some extent no matter how gentle the lovemaking is. That is the product of bumpin' uglies.
You bastards. Smiley: mad

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Second, each argument does stand on their own merits. On that I agree with you, FleaJo1.

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--FleaJo2 made note of the stripper's rights
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I will now officially refer to Joph as "#2".

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Particularly due to what we know about strippers who go into gigs without muscle, ie they are not strippers, but rather whores.Whores generally don't get raped, they are being paid to take whatever abuse their client has the sexual needs to fulfill.
You and I seem to know different things about strippers. Actually, due to the nature of the business and the fact that they aren't percieved as having the right to renounce business (Get out of my bar/****** you drunk/sick fu[Beige][/Beige]ck), whores tend to get raped quite often.

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In other words, gentle tender lovin' isn't what paid sex is about. Rather, it's about doing whatever the john has in mind, which I suspect is plain ol' jackhammer ********. No foreplay, no preliminaries.
This I can agree with.

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Based on all of the above, considering she took cash from the LAX players, had there been sex involved (which increasingly looks very doubtful) one can assume correctly it wouldn't have been rape but a bought and paid-for sexual union. That's prostitution, not rape.
[/quote]IF all your caveats hold, then yes. However, isn't the whole point of a trial presenting evidence to prove that crime was or wasn't committed? If so, then all we have is base assumption that both parties are sincere in their claims and the expectation that the court will make a decision that is based not on assumption, but on evidence.

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Second, each argument does stand on their own merits. On that I agree with you, FleaJo1.

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I will now officially refer to Joph as "#2", cause he's the Sh[Aliceblue][/Aliceblue]it.


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#25 Jun 20 2006 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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Ohhh....

Now I remember. Totem, you're the one who's argument hinges on a belief that strippers can't be raped, because they're an illegal commodity.

Right.
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