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So Saturday evening I was out on my motorcycle, driving along the picturesque landscape dotted with small lakes reflecting a great sun-set, contemplating life, the universe and everything and a new theory formulated in my helmet covered noodle. I'll do my best to explain the theory in simple terms, look at the concepts, not the literal meanings.

The foundation of the theory is the definition of existence. It has been proven over and over again that things we never thought existed show proof of their existence even though we cannot see them. For example, Browning Movement proves the existence of atoms, yet we were unable to see the actual atoms until years after seeing this odd phenomenon. Additionally, light has been re-defined multiple times, from being called a wave, to plasma to a combination of waves and particles finally called "quanta". The long and short of this evidence simply points to the fact that there are many things in this universe that exist that we do not know exist because we do not have the appropriate receptors in our bodies (our senses). Technology increasingly allows us to augment our existing abilities such as hearing and sight to allow us to "see" and "hear" things never before possible, some as simple as infrared light. So to get us started on understanding the theory, the foundation lies in believing that we simply exist. If there are "dimensions", they exist in the exact same space at the same time, we just lack the receptors to understand their existence.

Now on to the theory; If we can change light into electrical impulses and then change that into an audible representation, as well as do various other conversions, when will we discover a whole new receptor? We understand sight, touch, smell, hearing and taste, but are there more ways to experience existence, and if so, how do we figure them out and convert them into something we can receive with our senses?

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nutwad

Only if it will make you discuss it with me.

The foundation of the theory is the definition of existence.
It has been proven over and over again that things we never thought existed show proof of their existence even though we cannot see them. For example, Browning Movement proves the existence of atoms, yet we were unable to see the actual atoms until years after seeing this odd phenomenon.

at least you seem to have a broad foundation then.

I would have to argue that you cannot "prove" something that you do not know for sure exists. That's the G-D factor for me. The variable may be there, but that is all that it is, and you may base judgements and assumptions and personal faiths and relative realities off of the way that you interpret the surrounding facts around said variable... but still , you may not prove that which you yourself do not know of. All that you can do is work off of the problem and not the solution.

there are many things in this universe that exist that we do not know exist because we do not have the appropriate receptors in our bodies (our senses).

I would say that the fabled 6th sense is one instance of that variable. Who knows waht we're capable of tapping into? The brain is obviously quite complexx.
But yes, technology increases and so does the things that we find out about the physical universe, a marvelous and awesome thing.

If you want to figure out dimensions though, and time.... well then you have to wonder the effects that one dimension may have on another and how they relate to one another; or if they interact at all. There are some who say that it truely doesn't matter because these dimensions could not interact with one another.
I disagree with this because I see the very act of thinking about another dimension some form of interaction, especially if one was capable of comprehending it... if would become part of your mind and you memory. Then think about how your own memory is interacting with time and various dimensions.
Concider the fact that the substance of the thoughts flowing through your brain right now are 1-dimensional quanta interacting with your 3-dimensional brain and body and such the 3-dimensional universe. Concider that the 4th dimension is concidered time and that your brainwave quanta are also interacting with that.
Concider that quanta are not subordinate to the laws of Space/Time and thus the nature of these quanta is such so that they may be in many place at once! or even maybe all places at once... all being seperated in the universe through the format 4th dimensional time and being experienced by us in a 3-dimensional world. That is our little piece in the puzzle.


when will we discover a whole new receptor? We understand sight, touch, smell, hearing and taste, but are there more ways to experience existence, and if so, how do we figure them out and convert them into something we can receive with our senses?

start doing lots of heroin

L'Etranger is such a cool book...

Anyway, I completely agree with that "theory". Well, the theory that our sense are extremely limited. We can only "hear" a certain frequency (but not ultra-sound, for ex), we can only see a certain size (can't see atoms), we can only feel a certina force, etc...

So for sure, there must be millions of waves going round that we can't see/feel/hear. Even thigns like radio, the wave is there, we just ned the tech to "translate" it.

And just like dogs, and ants have a lesser consciousness then us, it is quite arrogant to think that we have the highest level of consciouness possible.

Very intersting stuff, for sure, and even more fun when high. And for a long time, LSD was thought to give that ability, to sense things which existed but were outisde our realm of consciousness. The funny thing about LSD is that it not produce hallucinogenic effects on its own. It makes the brain release a chemical substance that gives us these halucination. But the LSD is the "trigger", not the hallucinogenic product itself.

I don't know if you guys read Castaneda, but his experiences are in teh same vein. He seens an "alternate reality" through the peyote. It's the same concept.

Beckham is probably the new Camus. He has already "written" 6 "books" at the tender age of 30. All he needs now is to be considered a great philosopher, and he's there.

Alternatively:

Interviewer: So David, do you think man's essential being is defined by a self-determined causal decision-tree, or some pre-ordained synergy of historically triggered inevitabilities?

David: Well, at the end of the day, i think the man is defined by the casual tree, or yeah, when he orders the energy and the trigger, so yeah, all in all, at then end of the day, I think it was a good performance by the man.

What if your brain/body does not have the necessary receptors at all to see the other stimulie and we will only uncover it one day using technology? We have proven time and time again that if we are pointed in the right direction, we can create a machine to see/find what we are looking for. The problem is what is going to point us in the right direction if we cannot figure out where to start?

I beat you all to it

PwnT MurrFurrs

Honestly I hope that day never comes. Physics has basicly proved that all matter is basicly energy/feilds with complex interconnections that create the illusion of a particular state of matter(liquid, solid, ect...). Once you get an instriment that can't percieve the field/energy I don't think it would be very long till it can be harnessed. Once it's harnessed how long before they attpemt to make weapons with it?

I think the wiether or not people are capable of perceiving depends on the beleif of life after death. Once you no longer have a body it would make sense that your world would be made up of expereinceing this feild/energy without your current physical senses. If you beleive this it's just your senses that get in the way of perceiving it now.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, and I do not think it's a moot point. I think it's the key to understanding life, the universe and everything.

Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms. Therefore, from a theological perspective, if you exist simultaneously on every plane (my foundation of existance from the OP), then you already exist in what could be considered heaven/hell/whateverfloatsyourboat. All that I'm saying is that the real difference between living and "after death" could simply be perception based on receptors. Some will argue that you have unlimited receptors after death, others argue you have none. All that aside, the fact still remains that you still exist, concious to it or not. Once we have the formula to calculate how many unknown stimuli exist, we will have the blueprints for the most kick *** machine ever to exist.

Great, now take that as a basis and design a machine to detect the result of the conversion and track/record the resulting product. That's an example of what I'm talking about.