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#1 Jun 15 2006 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
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Has there been a thread yet dedicated to this rhetorical piece of blatant ******** that is having 10 fuc[/Azure]king hours dedicated to it?


The Democrats are FUC[Azure]KING PUSSIES. If they weren't they would get up and walk the fu[/Azure]ck OUT of this mockery of a debate in stead of becoming a part of it.

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#2 Jun 15 2006 at 6:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not sure a 10-hour debate is anything to get your panties wadded up over. What's at issue?
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#3 Jun 15 2006 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
This is what I think he's talking about:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/15/AR2006061501390.html wrote:
House Resolution 861 says that Hussein and his "criminal Baathist regime" supported terrorists and "constituted a threat against global peace and security." Since his removal, it says, "the terrorists have declared Iraq to be the central front in their war against all who oppose their ideology."

The nonbinding resolution "honors the sacrifices" of U.S. and allied forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and "declares that it is not in the national security interest of the United States to set an arbitrary date for the withdrawal or redeployment" of U.S. troops from Iraq.

#4 Jun 16 2006 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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The presentation of the resolution is such that if you oppose it, that you oppose national defence; and if you are for it, then you are a true patriot that supports the troops.

It's like asking someone "Are you still beating your wife?".


A debate on the issues about Iraq are long overdue. But instead of an actual debate; this farce of a resolution comes up stating that Cut & Running is against National Defence.

The messed up thing is that this notion dodges the real issue that are there involving this debacle. The issue of the MANAGMENT of everything. The STATE SANCTIONED CORRUPTION(yeah) that has been running rampant in Iraq for the last 3 years. It should really be about holding accountable those responsible for allowing the blatant war profiteering to thrive. ALL of the MONEY that WE have spent over there.. 100s of BILLIONS

We bought ourselves a Crucible.


Now the Republicans get up and like automatons begin quoting how brave our troops are.. and not to let little GI Jimmy down, and how Iraq is obviously the hub of terrorism, and how if we leave now ..blablabla

Well, no one is talkinga bout ignoring the issues.... no one is talking about "Cutting and Running". The REAL issue is holding those responsible for this gross mismanagment to the fire. The ReAL issue is getting things Done RIGHT.


The list of Government complacency, incompetance, appeasment, and examples of them "looking the other way". as well as seeming to Side with PROFIT rather than SAFETY...

There is no need to connect the dots of waht's going on here with this corrupt administration. The dots are so close together that the picture is obvious without drawing a line.


This is not a debate. It's an essay contest; and nothing will get done because our leaders are weak, pre-occupied, and aloof from the reality of waht needs to be done.
If THEY were fully headstrong with the accusations that I have heard on this about the Bush administration, then they need to roll with it. They need to **** or get off the pot; instead of participating is this pompous pissing contest that is going on right now.
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#5 Jun 16 2006 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
The presentation of the resolution is such that if you oppose it, that you oppose national defence; and if you are for it, then you are a true patriot that supports the troops.

It's like asking someone "Are you still beating your wife?".


A debate on the issues about Iraq are long overdue. But instead of an actual debate; this farce of a resolution comes up stating that Cut & Running is against National Defence.

The messed up thing is that this notion dodges the real issue that are there involving this debacle. The issue of the MANAGMENT of everything. The STATE SANCTIONED CORRUPTION(yeah) that has been running rampant in Iraq for the last 3 years. It should really be about holding accountable those responsible for allowing the blatant war profiteering to thrive. ALL of the MONEY that WE have spent over there.. 100s of BILLIONS

We bought ourselves a Crucible.


Now the Republicans get up and like automatons begin quoting how brave our troops are.. and not to let little GI Jimmy down, and how Iraq is obviously the hub of terrorism, and how if we leave now ..blablabla

Well, no one is talkinga bout ignoring the issues.... no one is talking about "Cutting and Running". The REAL issue is holding those responsible for this gross mismanagment to the fire. The ReAL issue is getting things Done RIGHT.


The list of Government complacency, incompetance, appeasment, and examples of them "looking the other way". as well as seeming to Side with PROFIT rather than SAFETY...

There is no need to connect the dots of waht's going on here with this corrupt administration. The dots are so close together that the picture is obvious without drawing a line.


This is not a debate. It's an essay contest; and nothing will get done because our leaders are weak, pre-occupied, and aloof from the reality of waht needs to be done.
If THEY were fully headstrong with the accusations that I have heard on this about the Bush administration, then they need to roll with it. They need to sh*t or get off the pot; instead of participating is this pompous pissing contest that is going on right now.


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#6REDACTED, Posted: Jun 16 2006 at 9:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I would definitely vote for you Kelvy.
#7 Jun 16 2006 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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any of you listening to or watching or paying attention to this crap?
these are YOUR tax dollars at work!
morel mejoritie werking for u?

Sorry, I'm apolitical. I nodded off somewhere around "beat your wife".

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#8REDACTED, Posted: Jun 16 2006 at 10:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wonder what his state of the union speech would be like...
#9 Jun 16 2006 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Democrats are never gonna win. They are to worried about being PC and can't stand on core issues. As for this resolution, Iraq is a joke.
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#10 Jun 16 2006 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Cheers to Kelvyquayo!!

Here's the basis for said Republican War Mongering for this particular resoltion:

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To: House Republican Members

From: House Majority Leader John A. Boehner

Date: June 13, 2006

Re: Confidential Messaging Memo – Floor Debate on Iraq and the Global War on Terror

This week, the House of Representatives will engage in a debate about the war in Iraq, the Global War on Terror and our efforts to strengthen our national security in a post-9/11 world.

The past week has brought news of several important, positive developments in Iraq and the Global War on Terror:

– U.S. military forces eliminated the terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al-Qaeda’s top commander in Iraq and a cold-blooded killer.

– The Iraqi government named new interior, defense and security ministers as part of the new government’s continued progress.

– Just this morning, President George W. Bush traveled to Baghdad to meet the newly appointed Prime Minster of Iraq, Nouri al-Maliki and to discuss our growing partnership with the new democratic ally.

Clearly, these positive developments are the result of steadfast support of both our military and diplomatic efforts in Iraq and across the globe. We should not refrain from touting such progress (excellent logic and back-patting btw)

During this debate, our Republican Conference should be focused on delivering these key points:

The Importance of Our Actions

It is imperative during this debate that we re-examine the conditions that required the United States to take military action in Afghanistan and Iraq in the aftermath of the attacks of September 11, 2001.

The attacks we witnessed that day serve as a reminder of the dangers we face as a nation in a post-9/11 world. We can no longer expect oceans between us and our enemies to keep us safe. The plotting and planning taking place in terror camps protected by rogue regimes could no longer go unchecked or unchallenged. In a post-9/11 world, we could no longer allow despots and dictators like the Taliban and Saddam Hussein to ignore international sanctions and resolutions passed by the United Nations Security Council.

So, during this debate we must make clear to the American people that the United States had to take action in the best interests of the security of our nation and the world community. As Republicans who supported military action against Saddam Hussein and terrorists around the globe, the United States had to show our resolve as the world’s premier defender of freedom and liberty before such ideals were preyed upon, rather than after standing witness to their demise at the hands of our enemies.

As President John F. Kennedy once stated so eloquently:

“The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission.”

A Portrait of Contrasts

This debate in the House of Representatives gives our Republican Conference the opportunity to present the American people our case for strong national security policies whose purpose is to protect the nation against another attack on our own soil. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have a Republican President when we were attacked? I guess a country needs to be attacked to have strong national security policies.)

Similarly, we must conduct this debate as a portrait of contrasts between Republicans and Democrats with regard to one of the most important political issues of our era. Articulating and advocating our core principles will allow the American public to witness Members of Congress debate a fundamental question facing America’s leaders:

In a post-9/11 world, do we confront dangerous regimes and the threat of terrorism with strength and resolve, or do we instead abandon our efforts against these threats in the hopes that they will just fade away on their own?

Republicans believe victory in Iraq will be an important blow to terrorism and the threat it poses around the world. Democrats, on the other hand, are prone to waver endlessly about the use of force to protect American ideals. Capitol Hill Democrats’ only specific policy proposals are to concede defeat on the battlefield and instead, merely manage the threat of terrorism and the danger it poses.

These are troubling policies to embrace in a post-9/11 world. During this debate, we need to clarify just how wrong the Democrats’ weak approach is and just how dangerous their implementation would be to both the short-term and long-term national security interests of the United States.

Resolve Will Triumph Over Retreat

As a result of our efforts during this debate, Americans will recognize that on the issue of national security, they have a clear choice between a Republican Party aware of the stakes and dedicated to victory, versus a Democrat Party without a coherent national security policy that sheepishly dismisses the challenges America faces in a post- 9/11 world.

Let there be no doubt that America and its allies in the war in Iraq and the Global War on Terrorism face difficult challenges. The American people are understandably concerned about our mission in a post-Saddam Iraq. There have been many tough days since Iraq’s liberation and transition to a sovereign democracy.

Democrats are all too eager to seize upon the challenges we face as their rationale or motivation for retreat. As Republicans, we understand the diplomatic and national security hazards of such a move. We must echo the American public’s understanding of just how great the stakes are in Iraq and our long-term efforts to win the War on Terrorism.

Building democracies in a part of the world that has known nothing but tyranny and despotism is a difficult task. But achieving victory there and gaining democratic allies in the region will be the best gift of security we can give to future generations of Americans.


Fun stuff

Edited, Jun 16th 2006 at 11:18am EDT by Addikeys
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#11 Jun 16 2006 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Iraq is a joke.


Iraq is certainky no laughing matter. It's the Black and White, For or Against rhetoric that is the joke. SURELY the governent does not think us stupid enough to believe that these issue are as simple and un-complicated that that! RIGHT!? HAHA

Pubs are using arguments like "The enemy has declared that Iraq is the staging ground for their war against the West".. well it is NOW isn't it!?

That issue is a moot point though. WAht's done is done. We have opened up this vacuum into which enemies of America are drawn.

But these are not the issues. The Pubs are totally ignoring the accusations brought on by Democrats of corruption. CORRUPTION (why does this word not seem to ring seriously with the public nowadays, APATHY ANYONE?)
The are firing the same "we must fight we must fight".

YEs Yes.. no one is questioning that. We are questioning their motives, their methods, and their credibility. And as such; the rest of the WORLD questions the motives, methods, and the credibility of the United States of America. A travesty that seems to have been overlooked or ignored by the Bush Whitehouse in the name of patriotism and pride and profit. 3 ingredient that will poison a nation wehn mixed.


/shadorelm off Smiley: grin


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#12 Jun 16 2006 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
The presentation of the resolution is such that if you oppose it, that you oppose national defence; and if you are for it, then you are a true patriot that supports the troops.

It's like asking someone "Are you still beating your wife?".
The resolution is stupid, useless and a waste of time and money. But we've already established that the Republicans have no issue with wasting time and money in Congress on legislatively pointless endeavors if it means perhaps scoring political points.

I'd vote against it. Let them run an ad saying "Jophiel says he supports the troops... so why did he vote AGAINST a measure honoring them?". That's over the top enough that it's like saying "Jophiel voted AGAINST kittens and ducklings..."

Plus, I can run my "Gbaji voted for a measure to keep your sons and daughters in Iraq indefinately WITHOUT a plan to ever bring them home..." ads Smiley: grin
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#13 Jun 16 2006 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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I'd say that any public spectacle like this isn;t a total waste; as it does give the public the oppurtunity to really see "their boys" in action.

However.. I doubt that even that will change anything. It's all a matter of opinion that holds sway over the day. Denial is a powerful thing. You keep the flag-waver preoccupied with Pride and Retribution; and they grow DEAF to the cries of Corruption. They probably view that corruption as a neccesity to Victory.

They couldn't be more wrong IMO. It's all opinion on how should we should operate. I don't see any side giving in to the other.

Quite the sorted state of affairs.


Who Watches the Watchers?.. <other various cliches> <ad infinitum>

How will anything be done wehn it's practically all 3 branchs of government are having hot threesomes together; while the rest of the country sits and ***********?
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#14 Jun 16 2006 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Jophiel voted AGAINST kittens and ducklings...


Hater! Smiley: mad
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#15 Jun 16 2006 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Iraq is a joke.


Iraq is certainky no laughing matter. It's the Black and White, For or Against rhetoric that is the joke. SURELY the governent does not think us stupid enough to believe that these issue are as simple and un-complicated that that! RIGHT!? HAHA

Pubs are using arguments like "The enemy has declared that Iraq is the staging ground for their war against the West".. well it is NOW isn't it!?

That issue is a moot point though. WAht's done is done. We have opened up this vacuum into which enemies of America are drawn.

But these are not the issues. The Pubs are totally ignoring the accusations brought on by Democrats of corruption. CORRUPTION (why does this word not seem to ring seriously with the public nowadays, APATHY ANYONE?)
The are firing the same "we must fight we must fight".

YEs Yes.. no one is questioning that. We are questioning their motives, their methods, and their credibility. And as such; the rest of the WORLD questions the motives, methods, and the credibility of the United States of America. A travesty that seems to have been overlooked or ignored by the Bush Whitehouse in the name of patriotism and pride and profit. 3 ingredient that will poison a nation wehn mixed.


Should have worded that differently. Iraq is not a joke, but the way our government is going about handling it and how they are involving the public in this matter is what I feel, a shame. By joke I mean: Oh I hate this topic so much because it has turned into a giant clusterf*ck
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#16 Jun 16 2006 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh I hate this topic so much because it has turned into a giant clusterf*ck


It is this same reasoning that is the smokescreen putup by the governemnt. They keep it confusing so that the average public just stays out of it; hoping that it's all gonna work itself out.

The people need to get more involved.... but they won't.. because they want to stay out of the clusterfu[/Aqua]ck.


brilliant posturing.

I don't know how things can get done.... but something will have to give eventually. Either that or we're all fu[Aqua]
cked.
If more people actually payed attention they would be suprised to see waht kind of people are running our country.
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#19 Jun 16 2006 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Althrun wrote:


It was designed to pass.
That's why it is a blatant farce. It was not made to actually acomplish anything. It was made as a public spectacle to "show" the public WHO supports our troops and the War and who doesn't.... so that thy have more political fodder to throw at one another later on.


completly and utterly a despicable slap in the face of Americans everywhere; that the systems of governing in this country should be allowed to be molested in such a way.
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#20 Jun 16 2006 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Frankly, I get more upset about the fact that the House spends most of its time naming post offices and honoring baseball teams and Burmese royalty than this. It's a meaningless, non-binding resolution that's getting even more publicity than the one condemning terrorist attacks did. What the news media is doing right now is feeding the troll.
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don't know how things can get done.... but something will have to give eventually. Either that or we're all *******
If more people actually payed attention they would be suprised to see waht kind of people are running our country


Ignorance is bliss eh?

Turn the cheek when it comes to criticism because god forbid someone ask a question.

"Going to Afghanistan"
Let's get Bin Laden.

"WMD in Iraq"
But... I thought we were after Bin Laden.

"STFU fool! Are you against America!?"
No...

"Damn straight. You aren't American if you don't follow our great Shepard G.W."
But... *sigh* Nevermind...


Something like that
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Frankly, I get more upset about the fact that the House spends most of its time naming post offices and honoring baseball teams and Burmese royalty than this.
Are you implying that a resolution honoring married fathers isn't important? Smiley: dubious
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
any of you listening to or watching or paying attention to this crap?
these are YOUR tax dollars at work!

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I'm doing my part to keep the government from misusing my money!
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gnorance is bliss eh?

Turn the cheek when it comes to criticism because god forbid someone ask a question.

"Going to Afghanistan"
Let's get Bin Laden.

"WMD in Iraq"
But... I thought we were after Bin Laden.

"STFU fool! Are you against America!?"
No...

"Damn straight. You aren't American if you don't follow our great Shepard G.W."
But... *sigh* Nevermind...



more like

DEM: "People, we have spent x ammount of dollars in this and have only seen y ammount of progress. we have uncovered numerous cases of fraud and corruption with an apparent lack of any substantial investigation of revision from the White House and Congress"

REP: "Sir... The terrorists in Iraq hate everything that we stand for and must be dealt with aggressively. Our troops must believe in waht they are doing in order to win this war for freddom"

DEM: "Yes.... but there is still the issue of billion of dollars in cash unaccounted for in Iraq and evidence of money laundering and non-bid contracts for companies that are actually MAKING MONEY OFF THE GOVERNEMNT BY SPENDING MORE MONEY! and while their employees sleep in luxury hotels in Kuwait; our troops are refused even air conditioning in their tens in the desert"

REP: "Sir, The terrorists have declared war on our way of life. If we pull out now, then we are sending the mesage of appeasment and will be welcoming more attacks on American soil"

DEM: "uhh... Yes.. but the families of out troops have been forced to order suplied like bullet-proof vests off of the internet to protect their loved ones. Where has all the money gone?"

REP: "Sir... I ran into a veteran of this war who had lost his legs.. but he told me that he would gladly go back to defend his country. We are giving these boys something to live for. You want to degrade the morale of our troops?"


Smiley: banghead

Edited, Jun 16th 2006 at 12:08pm EDT by Kelvyquayo
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DEM: "People, we have spent x ammount of dollars in this and have only seen y ammount of progress. we have uncovered numerous cases of fraud and corruption with an apparent lack of any substantial investigation of revision from the White House and Congress"

REP: "Sir... The terrorists in Iraq hate everything that we stand for and must be dealt with aggressively. Our troops must believe in waht they are doing in order to win this war for freddom"

DEM: "Yes.... but there is still the issue of billion of dollars in cash unaccounted for in Iraq and evidence of money laundering and non-bid contracts for companies that are actually MAKING MONEY OFF THE GOVERNEMNT BY SPENDING MORE MONEY! and while their employees sleep in luxury hotels in Kuwait; our troops are refused even air conditioning in their tens in the desert"

REP: "Sir, The terrorists have declared war on our way of life. If we pull out now, then we are sending the mesage of appeasment and will be welcoming more attacks on American soil"

DEM: "uhh... Yes.. but the families of out troops have been forced to order suplied like bullet-proof vests off of the internet to protect their loved ones. Where has all the money gone?"

REP: "Sir... I ran into a veteran of this war who had lost his legs.. but he told me that he would gladly go back to defend his country. We are giving these boys something to live for. You want to degrade the morale of our troops?"


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#26 Jun 16 2006 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Frankly, I get more upset about the fact that the House spends most of its time naming post offices and honoring baseball teams and Burmese royalty than this.
Are you implying that a resolution honoring married fathers isn't important? Smiley: dubious
I like my fathers unmarried!!!
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I did note that July 22, 2006, my birthday , has been designated as "National Day of the American Cowboy".
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