I've been watching with interest how the sports world is treating this story. There seems to be a general agreement that a sports star like BR should have been wearing a helmet, and that he has a responsibility to the team due to his value. When I heard that argument, my thought was that becasue he is wealthy he'd be a prime candidate to be allowed to drive a motorsicle san brain bucket. Why? Because unlike a poor Hell's Angel, Roethlisberger has the money and insurance to cover the medical expenses should he have been left a vegitable.
It's the poor who need to be covered in bubble wrap and let out to play only in rubber rooms with no sharp edges since we as a society have to pay for their stupidity. But a rich dude can afford all the costs that a helmet-less existence can charge, thus he should be free to do as he wills.
Any disagreements with my conclusion?
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Btw, I got my new Suzi Gixxer 1k up to 150 mph yesterday, but had to stop there since the engine isn't completely broken in yet. I'm limited to 10,000 rpm for another 200 miles, but when I do, hoo-boy! 3,500 more rpm to use!
Things go by very quickly at 150. Very quickly. And no, I never claimed to be smart or sane.
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Things go by very quickly at 150. Very quickly. And no, I never claimed to be smart or sane.
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It's the poor who need to be covered in bubble wrap and let out to play only in rubber rooms with no sharp edges since we as a society have to pay for their stupidity. But a rich dude can afford all the costs that a helmet-less existence can charge, thus he should be free to do as he wills.
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I get your point, but I get theirs too. You see, these people are under contract by a company and it is in the company's best interest that if they are going to do something dangerous (ex: like riding a motorcycle) they atleast do it as safe as possible (with a helmit).
Movie studio's will actually put clauses in their actors contracts that forbid them from riding motorcyles during a shoot. I don't think the NFL is that strict, however.
However, I'm a firm believer in natural selection. If you ride in a car without a seatbelt, or if you ride a motorcycle without a helmit, and suffer an injury that could have been permited had you chosen to do so: you're retarded.
Regardless of how much money you have.
And if you're a young quarterback, in the prime of his career, just won a superbowl, and you get in a motorcyle accident without a helmit on. Well, that's a tradgedy. Albeit, a retarded one.
Movie studio's will actually put clauses in their actors contracts that forbid them from riding motorcyles during a shoot. I don't think the NFL is that strict, however.
However, I'm a firm believer in natural selection. If you ride in a car without a seatbelt, or if you ride a motorcycle without a helmit, and suffer an injury that could have been permited had you chosen to do so: you're retarded.
Regardless of how much money you have.
And if you're a young quarterback, in the prime of his career, just won a superbowl, and you get in a motorcyle accident without a helmit on. Well, that's a tradgedy. Albeit, a retarded one.
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What I don't understand is you can ride a motorcycle with no helmet with all kinds of bugs and debris flying around not to mention no protection what-so-ever if you hit something or get hit, but, while driving my car or riding in a car, surrounded by metal frames, bumpers, air bags etc, I am required by law to strap myself to it. I'll agree that seat belts save lives, but don't helmets, too?
GamingMaven wrote:
don't helmets, too?
Not always. My dad was wearing a helmet and he died anyway.
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Princess Tare wrote:
GamingMaven wrote:
don't helmets, too?
Not always. My dad was wearing a helmet and he died anyway.
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Princess Tare wrote:
GamingMaven wrote:
don't helmets, too?
Not always. My dad was wearing a helmet and he died anyway.
Ohh, so very sorry, Tare. /comfort
If you were forced to wear a helmet at work all day, would you want to wear one in your free time?
While I don't advocate riding without a helmet, I don't dispute his right to do so. As a highly paid athelete, I'm surprised his contract didn't have some stipulation regarding his riding - I guess if its not a guaranteed contract they don't have as much leverage in that area.
Still, you have to be something of a muttonhead to ride without a helmet.
As a side note, I've had my VFR up to 150 many times. But that's about all she'll do. My DRZ400SM however tops out around 95, and while that's considerably slower than 150, the front end becomes so twitchy at that speed that its a MUCH more nerve-wracking experience.
Irrelevant side note: A buddy of mine hit a deer on his Vmax, while on the far side of 130. Cut it right in half. Bent his forks and mangled various bits and pieces of his front end, but didn't crash.
Still, you have to be something of a muttonhead to ride without a helmet.
As a side note, I've had my VFR up to 150 many times. But that's about all she'll do. My DRZ400SM however tops out around 95, and while that's considerably slower than 150, the front end becomes so twitchy at that speed that its a MUCH more nerve-wracking experience.
Irrelevant side note: A buddy of mine hit a deer on his Vmax, while on the far side of 130. Cut it right in half. Bent his forks and mangled various bits and pieces of his front end, but didn't crash.
Things go by very quickly at 150.
I enjoy the road narrowing sensation, myself. The rain really hurts though.
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Back in the 70s I was a member of the UK Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) and vehemently protested against the proposed law making a helmet compulsory.
Our slogan was "Helmets Yes, Compulsion No". We lost. The law came in.
My view has softened with the sight of countless (mostly) teenagers exteriorising their medullary cortex across Her Majesty's highways. They're 18 or 19 and know themselves to be invincible. Until, that is, they get over-enthusiastic with their right-wrist, or (more often) some old duffer pulls out into their path.
No, they aren't a panacea (sorry to hear that Tare), but given the number of fatal incidents that would otherwise be merely embarassing, I can understand the reasoning behind the law.
That said, I prefer education to legislation, and don't like personal choices to be over-ridden by some **** of a politician.
I suppose my over-riding view is that Darwin's applies (take the warning labels of stuff and make the world a better place), and anyway, this guy plays 'catch' for a living. Pfft.
Our slogan was "Helmets Yes, Compulsion No". We lost. The law came in.
My view has softened with the sight of countless (mostly) teenagers exteriorising their medullary cortex across Her Majesty's highways. They're 18 or 19 and know themselves to be invincible. Until, that is, they get over-enthusiastic with their right-wrist, or (more often) some old duffer pulls out into their path.
No, they aren't a panacea (sorry to hear that Tare), but given the number of fatal incidents that would otherwise be merely embarassing, I can understand the reasoning behind the law.
That said, I prefer education to legislation, and don't like personal choices to be over-ridden by some **** of a politician.
I suppose my over-riding view is that Darwin's applies (take the warning labels of stuff and make the world a better place), and anyway, this guy plays 'catch' for a living. Pfft.
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Back in the 70s I was a member of the UK Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) and vehemently protested against the proposed law making a helmet compulsory.
I was learning how to walk and poo in containers.
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Smasharoo wrote:
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"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
it doesn't seem related to how rich or poor you are. some people will just be dumb regardless.
we all sit here and think how much our life would be better with more money, yet we hear all the stories about the rich celebrities getting drunk, doing drugs, ending up in rehab, ruining their career.
i heard he lost all his teeth. so at age 24, prime of his life, he has no teeth. his bones will heal and he'll play ball again, but hopefully his false teeth will be a constant reminder of a decision he made one day that he didn't have to make.
it's true what he said, you can get injured in a car or even walking down the street. but given that his team mates, other sports celebrities, all chastised him for getting this motorcycle at such an important time in his career, it just seems like what they said came true.
now in his defense, someone hit him while he was going the speed limit. but it just seems harsh anyway, considering how things might be different if he were in a car instead of a motorcycle and had the same accident.
I like the Education vs Legislation concept, at least for the public. Looking at it from an NFL owner or coach's point of view, I see it differently though. Big Ben is a vital and highly paid employee of the Pittsburgh Steeler organization. Being as they have a vested interest in his health, which faces enough risk at his job, requiring him to wear a helmet while riding his motorcycle is reasonable in my opinion. A lot of these guys get paid loads of money to play a game, and play it well. They're physical well-being is a huge factor in how they produce for their employer.
I don't know if there was something in his contract stipulating that he needed to wear a helmet while riding his motorcycle or not, however after this incident I would expect that most teams will probably consider putting it in. I know I would. Telling a biker that they flat out can't ride at all would be too much, but expecting them to take reasonable safety precautions is certainly acceptable.
It sounds like he's going to recover though, which is good. He's still got plenty of years ahead of him in the NFL. And also plenty more years to ride his motorcycles. Perhaps after this close call, he'll be wearing a helmet from now on.
I don't know if there was something in his contract stipulating that he needed to wear a helmet while riding his motorcycle or not, however after this incident I would expect that most teams will probably consider putting it in. I know I would. Telling a biker that they flat out can't ride at all would be too much, but expecting them to take reasonable safety precautions is certainly acceptable.
It sounds like he's going to recover though, which is good. He's still got plenty of years ahead of him in the NFL. And also plenty more years to ride his motorcycles. Perhaps after this close call, he'll be wearing a helmet from now on.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
bluegayle wrote:
i heard he lost all his teeth. so at age 24, prime of his life, he has no teeth. his bones will heal and he'll play ball again, but hopefully his false teeth will be a constant reminder of a decision he made one day that he didn't have to make.
NFL.com wrote:
Doctors did not discuss Roethlisberger's condition in detail, at the request of his family, but the quarterback's only major injuries were to his face: a broken upper and lower jaw, a loss of two teeth, a broken nose, broken facial bones and various cuts and bruises.
Jaw injuries can vary greatly in nature and, because of the rather limited protection provided by a football helmet, have the potential to sideline a player for a lengthy period. But the surgeons who operated on Roethlisberger for seven hours June 12 said all of his fractures were successfully repaired.
Jaw injuries can vary greatly in nature and, because of the rather limited protection provided by a football helmet, have the potential to sideline a player for a lengthy period. But the surgeons who operated on Roethlisberger for seven hours June 12 said all of his fractures were successfully repaired.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Kakar the Vile wrote:
Perhaps after this close call, he'll be wearing a helmet from now on.
I predict not only that, but he'll also become a spokesperson for proper motorcycle safety, maybe even establishing a charitable foundation.
Jawbox wrote:
Kakar the Vile wrote:
Perhaps after this close call, he'll be wearing a helmet from now on.
I predict not only that, but he'll also become a spokesperson for proper motorcycle safety, maybe even establishing a charitable foundation.
Now, now,
Do what now?
Kakar the Vile wrote:
bluegayle wrote:
i heard he lost all his teeth. so at age 24, prime of his life, he has no teeth. his bones will heal and he'll play ball again, but hopefully his false teeth will be a constant reminder of a decision he made one day that he didn't have to make.
NFL.com wrote:
Doctors did not discuss Roethlisberger's condition in detail, at the request of his family, but the quarterback's only major injuries were to his face: a broken upper and lower jaw, a loss of two teeth, a broken nose, broken facial bones and various cuts and bruises.
Jaw injuries can vary greatly in nature and, because of the rather limited protection provided by a football helmet, have the potential to sideline a player for a lengthy period. But the surgeons who operated on Roethlisberger for seven hours June 12 said all of his fractures were successfully repaired.
Jaw injuries can vary greatly in nature and, because of the rather limited protection provided by a football helmet, have the potential to sideline a player for a lengthy period. But the surgeons who operated on Roethlisberger for seven hours June 12 said all of his fractures were successfully repaired.
I heard on the radio this morning that he doesn't have a motorcycle license and the temporary license he did have was expired.
I agree with Elderon, my mother rides a Harley and if she wants to go without a helmet so be it. They ride over to Iowa just so they can cruise without helmets, and the beanie lid she wears in Nebraska is barely a helmet (not D.O.T. approved).
I wouldn't ever ride without one personally, but I don't ride very often.
I agree with Elderon, my mother rides a Harley and if she wants to go without a helmet so be it. They ride over to Iowa just so they can cruise without helmets, and the beanie lid she wears in Nebraska is barely a helmet (not D.O.T. approved).
I wouldn't ever ride without one personally, but I don't ride very often.
Kakar wrote:
I don't know if there was something in his contract stipulating that he needed to wear a helmet while riding his motorcycle or not, however after this incident I would expect that most teams will probably consider putting it in. I know I would. Telling a biker that they flat out can't ride at all would be too much, but expecting them to take reasonable safety precautions is certainly acceptable.
I will gaurantee you there was something in is contract restricting or prohibiting his riding. You say it is too much to tell someone to ride, is it too much to tell someone they cant surf **** at their desk? Seriously, if you sign a contract to work for someone you have to follow thier rules. He more than likely decided to ignore whatever he was told because he believed himself to be a "safe" rider.
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i heard he lost all his teeth. so at age 24, prime of his life, he has no teeth. his bones will heal and he'll play ball again, but hopefully his false teeth will be a constant reminder of a decision he made one day that he didn't have to make.
Bones heal, but how many plastic surgery's can you have before you have to retire? He takes a Troy Aikmen* shot and he is out for the season getting his face plastered back together.
* - for those that remember the shot he took against the cardinals that set him back drastically, career threatening even
Edited, Jun 14th 2006 at 12:32pm EDT by Kronig
According to sports radio this morning, he had the same clause as Kellen Winslow did in his contract.
Namely that, while not required to wear a helmet (if the law doesn't require it), the team has the option to not pay him his salary if he gets injured while not wearing one.
It's unlikely the Steelers are going to not pay their stud QB, even if they have the option.
My personal opinion is that it should be the choice of the rider. My in-laws wear beanies when they ride their Harley, and my wife wears a half-helmet when she rides.
Namely that, while not required to wear a helmet (if the law doesn't require it), the team has the option to not pay him his salary if he gets injured while not wearing one.
It's unlikely the Steelers are going to not pay their stud QB, even if they have the option.
My personal opinion is that it should be the choice of the rider. My in-laws wear beanies when they ride their Harley, and my wife wears a half-helmet when she rides.
Do they also have the clause where they can't play basketball in their own driveway?
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