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#127 Jun 14 2006 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Althrun wrote:
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I'm just going to echo what some of the others have said: quitting something you obviously enjoy just to make someone else happy rarely works.


I agree to a point, but personally, I'd do it, if my s/o said they were feeling that WOW/EQ2/FFXI/etc was taking up too much "us" time. I'd try to come to a compromise first of course, like setting times aside for it and so forth. But, in the end, RL > game. Always. My 47 human mage is not worth arguing over with the woman I intend to marry :P


In a normal situation where as both parties in a relation ship is putting forth 100%/100%, you might have a case.

The more I read up on Bodhi, the more I get the hindsight that it's a range between 0%/200%-5%/195%.

In the end, say they grow old together, she will die remotly happy (because, of course, nothing Bodhi will do can TRULY make her happy; he just doesn't understand her!), and Bodhi will die miserable; full of regrets and what ifs.

Go back up and read his post on how the romantic dinner he setup went. I'll rest my case with that.


Roses and a teddy bear made her MAD, for Christ's sake.
#128 Jun 14 2006 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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Althrun wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
I'm just going to echo what some of the others have said: quitting something you obviously enjoy just to make someone else happy rarely works.


I agree to a point, but personally, I'd do it, if my s/o said they were feeling that WOW/EQ2/FFXI/etc was taking up too much "us" time. I'd try to come to a compromise first of course, like setting times aside for it and so forth. But, in the end, RL > game. Always. My 47 human mage is not worth arguing over with the woman I intend to marry :P


But I didn't say that quitting a game for someone was bad - I said "quitting something you obviously enjoy" is a bad idea. While I realize that in a relationship there has to be give and take, if you start giving up too much, is it worth it?

But in the case of gaming, I love to game. Not just MMO's, either. My husband knows this about me. So if he asked me to stop doing something that he knows I really enjoy, I think I'd have to punch him.
#129 Jun 14 2006 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
what DSD said X 2.

Bros before hos.
#130 Jun 14 2006 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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#131 Jun 14 2006 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Where are your priorities? Smiley: oyvey
Good question. I would consider intensive couples therapy before giving up MMOs. If you're going to give it a go, why not try something that might actually stop the hemmoraging hole in your aorta, instead of putting a band-aid on the scratch on your leg?
#132 Jun 14 2006 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
I'm just going to echo what some of the others have said: quitting something you obviously enjoy just to make someone else happy rarely works.


She's right. Never sacrifice anything for anyone. Especially not juvenile video games for some trick that you love.

Where are your priorities? Smiley: oyvey



It could be anything.

My dad loves anything car related. He used to spend hours, sometimes days in the basement tinkering on cars. My mother saw cars as a way to get from point A to point B. And sometimes she got tired of all the time my father spent on his cars. But she knew that if she told him to stop, she'd essentially be ending their relationship. She'd be asking him to give up a part of himself.

And it's not like they never spent any time together, or did things together. But my mom just knew that my dad had to have "his thing", and it had nothing to do with the way he felt about her.

Gaming is no different for some people.
#133 Jun 14 2006 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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She had made up her mind to leave me. In this type of a situation where a relationship is about to fall apart I have a tendency to become a cold f'ucking ******* so that I get hurt less. So I made no real efforts to contact her and was making plans on getting a new apartment, assuaging my own ego by stating that I had been so much of a good boyfriend and trying to place the blame on her. Then, I think it was like 5am on Sunday morning and I had an epiphany. By epiphany I truly mean an epiphany one of those moments where you realize something in a totally new light. Kind of hard to explain but when you are pushed to the limit and forced to see past your own ********* I think the last time that happened to me was when me and brother came to terms with eachother during a fistfight (we've gotten along ever since).

There she is at 27, she wants to be working towards something. She is old enough to be worried about becoming her parents etc. There I am working, hanging out with friends and playing video games but not really going anywhere or making any plans just doing the same old thing I have since I graduated highschool. Its been eating at her for a while and I had resisted most attempts to enlighten me to the fact.

So I had this epiphany that she is absolutely right, that I was an idiot. That its time to grow up and start working for something and that she is the girl worth doing it for. It was a little more indepth and personal than that but I don't care to go into too much detail. Anyways it was 5am and I had to work at 7:30 am. So I went into work, then feigned being sick. Rushed home and put my slow monkey brain to work thinking about how I could do things right when she was ready to dump me and move on. So I played phone tag and figured out where she was staying at the moment. Sent flowers and a teddy bear to work. Called her in the evening asking if she wanted to meet somewhere the next day, said my piece and she started crying (happy crying).

We met up the next day and had a long discussion. In the end we agreed to really work for it. However these type of situations tend to be followed by a honeymoon period and then by both parties falling back into old routines. While we managed to live together quite well she is worried that going right back to it might lead to that problem. Hence the living apart.

This weekend will be our second anniversary. We will be going on our first 'date' in a long time, which will actually be a repeat of our actual first date when we went to the fair.

I dunno maybe it will work out and maybe it won't but at least I truly made the effort.
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#134 Jun 14 2006 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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When you explain it like that, bhodi, it doesn't sound so bad.

If you truly feel like these are changes you can live with and you're happy with your decision, then more power to you!
#135 Jun 14 2006 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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I'm glad to hear you've worked things out with your significant other. I hope it all works out for you.

I'm sorry you're quitting gaming cold turkey. It doesn't sound like that is your real issue or the best solution in the long run. It's not the gaming itself - it's the amount of time you spend doing it. Depriving yourself of something you enjoy may lead to resentment. If it comes to that, try to find some common ground with her.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a hobby you like, no matter what age you are. As long as it's done in moderation, as Ambrya mentioned last night. It sounds like you are going to be focusing on her and interests you share. That's awesome. Just find the balance, Grasshopper. Smiley: grin

It's funny, one of the first ground rules I put out there when I started dating my wife is that I'm into gaming and it's a hobby that I won't give up. It could be worse, I told her, I could be out every night getting ********** whoring about, or getting stoned - all wonderful vices, don't get me wrong. Smiley: chug

Of course, knowing how important she and our relationship meant to me, I made sure any of my hobbies or distractions didn't cause a problem for our relationship, which was and still is my number one priority. Having lived the lone wolf (i.e., hermit) lifestyle makes one acutely aware of one's priorities in life. Smiley: tongue

I'm lucky that it turns out that she was totally into gaming as well. Still, even with both of us into gaming, we make the time for other aspects of our life - socializing, sports, exercising, fixing up our home, books, movies, plays, music, politics, etc. You know, necessary things to build memories on.

Of course, like DSD and I said last night - you'll be back, they always come back - it may not be EQ2 or WoW, but something shiny will catch your eye - *cough Vanguard *cough *cough... Smiley: sly
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#136 Jun 14 2006 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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She had made up her mind to leave me. In this type of a situation where a relationship is about to fall apart I have a tendency to become a cold f'ucking ******* so that I get hurt less. So I made no real efforts to contact her and was making plans on getting a new apartment, assuaging my own ego by stating that I had been so much of a good boyfriend and trying to place the blame on her. Then, I think it was like 5am on Sunday morning and I had an epiphany. By epiphany I truly mean an epiphany one of those moments where you realize something in a totally new light. Kind of hard to explain but when you are pushed to the limit and forced to see past your own bullsh*t. I think the last time that happened to me was when me and brother came to terms with eachother during a fistfight (we've gotten along ever since).

There she is at 27, she wants to be working towards something. She is old enough to be worried about becoming her parents etc. There I am working, hanging out with friends and playing video games but not really going anywhere or making any plans just doing the same old thing I have since I graduated highschool. Its been eating at her for a while and I had resisted most attempts to enlighten me to the fact.

So I had this epiphany that she is absolutely right, that I was an idiot. That its time to grow up and start working for something and that she is the girl worth doing it for. It was a little more indepth and personal than that but I don't care to go into too much detail. Anyways it was 5am and I had to work at 7:30 am. So I went into work, then feigned being sick. Rushed home and put my slow monkey brain to work thinking about how I could do things right when she was ready to dump me and move on. So I played phone tag and figured out where she was staying at the moment. Sent flowers and a teddy bear to work. Called her in the evening asking if she wanted to meet somewhere the next day, said my piece and she started crying (happy crying).

We met up the next day and had a long discussion. In the end we agreed to really work for it. However these type of situations tend to be followed by a honeymoon period and then by both parties falling back into old routines. While we managed to live together quite well she is worried that going right back to it might lead to that problem. Hence the living apart.

This weekend will be our second anniversary. We will be going on our first 'date' in a long time, which will actually be a repeat of our actual first date when we went to the fair.

I dunno maybe it will work out and maybe it won't but at least I truly made the effort.


Brav-f'ucking-o!
Good for you bohdi. My level of respect for you finally went positive for the first time since you left me nekkid at that gas station in Ontario.
#137 Jun 14 2006 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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Brav-f'ucking-o!
Good for you bohdi. My level of respect for you finally went positive for the first time since you left me nekkid at that gas station in Ontario.
That was you? had I known, I'd have let the wife take pics.



Edited, Jun 14th 2006 at 11:53am EDT by Elderon
#138 Jun 14 2006 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Smoggy the Mighty wrote:
I could be out every night getting sh*tfaced, whoring about, or getting stoned


That's exactly the way I view my hubby's gaming hobby. He and the kids bond together over the games, they talk about the games (which leads to more open communication over everything else), I can grab a book and read on the couch snuggled up against him.

I hope things work out the way you're hoping for Bhodi. You've put down all the changes that you're willing to work towards, but is there anything your GF is working towards changing, or is it all on you?
#139 Jun 14 2006 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
You know, I had this long post going about personal epiphanies and how choosing to change in accordance with that was probably was what was happening here, but the Bodhi had to post about what had happened and completely wasted the time I took to write it all out.

GFY, douchebag Smiley: motz




Yay! Now, go sweep her off her feet and never let her catch her breath.Smiley: yippee
#140 Jun 14 2006 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
I dunno maybe it will work out and maybe it won't but at least I truly made the effort.
Like I said once before, all you can do is act in a way that enables you to be proud of your actions at some point in the future. I don't begrudge any decison you're making because it's your right to do so, and I know what it's like to be stupid with love.
#141 Jun 14 2006 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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Good Luck Bhodi, you Fu[Aqua][/Aqua]cking idiot.

All I read there is that you feel the need to grow up, and think that giving up things you enjoy will help.

What are you, 25? Go the whole hog, buy a pipe and slippers and a subscription to "Grandfather Clock Weekly". Then you'll truly be mature and satisfied, and she'll sit knitting or quilting by your side.

Because of course, at 25, you should no longer give in to immature whims like MMOGSs. Hell, as soon as I hit 25 I wish I'd sold all my guitars and quit playing in Bands - I'm sure I'd still be happily married now Smiley: oyvey.

Gonna need some seriously heavy-duty wallcovering to paper over those cracks.

(Or you could just grow a pair)

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#142 Jun 14 2006 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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She likes me gaming for the same reason, gives her 'me' time etc.

I don't really watch TV maybe an hour or two a week so fiddling around on the computer is my poison of choice. I managed to keep it at healthy levels with school/work/friends.

I think she was just worried because it was starting to get to the point where it was starting to replace other hobbies like all the outdoors stuff I normally do such as fishing, biking etc (was getting a potbelly as you could tell from the pictures). Things where I get out and do things with actual people. So while it was not creepy 4+ hours a day gaming it was starting to turn me into a recluse.
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#143 Jun 14 2006 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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You sound more like you are trying to justify giving up on something you enjoy than making an actual epiphany.

I think Nobby said it best.


Replacing something else you like...with something you like is bad now? Just alternate.

Or you can give up biking, fishing, and other activities that involve actual people and just concentrate on making her happy. They just take up time that could be used on things she'd rather you be doing.

Eventually, she'll be the happiest woman alive, knowing that she's going out with her mirror image instead of some other individual with his own soul.

Yay! Smiley: yippee

Edited, Jun 14th 2006 at 12:09pm EDT by Exodus
#144 Jun 14 2006 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Eventually, she'll be the happiest woman alive, knowing that she's going out with her mirror image instead of some other individual with his own soul.
Bodhi has a soul? I'd never have guessed.

Perhaps Joph should make him an offer for it before it's wasted.



Edited, Jun 14th 2006 at 12:12pm EDT by Elderon
#145 Jun 14 2006 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
Sir Exodus, Eater of Cheese wrote:
You sound more like you are trying to justify giving up on something you enjoy than making an actual epiphany.

I think Nobby said it best.


Replacing something else you like...with something you like is bad now? Just alternate.

Or you can give up biking, fishing, and other activities that involve actual people and just concentrate on making her happy. They just take up time that could be used on things she'd rather you be doing.

Eventually, she'll be the happiest woman alive, knowing that she's going out with her mirror image instead of some other individual with his own soul.

Yay! Smiley: yippee

Edited, Jun 14th 2006 at 12:09pm EDT by Exodus


Smiley: dubious I think you're just being overly cynical.

Giving up the MMO's for an indefinite period of time is not going to make him into a soulless puppet.

I made a similar life-choice (cut out a lot of the extra to make myself a future), but I wasn't going out with anyone at the time. Matter of fact, the failed relationships I had prior could be traced to my lack of direction (well, in part. Mostly because they were fu[aqua][/aqua]cking crazy, but I can't be held 100% blameless). Does that make my decision to do what I felt was better for myself more justified than his?



In all my lurking here, I've never seen him do important things on just whim, or because somebody made him do it. I don't see why that should change now, especially considering how much he struggled with himself over it in here.
#146 Jun 14 2006 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Get off your sh'it.


I am giving up a f'ucking video game that which has as of late been negatively affecting other aspects of my life. Its not like its a passion or defining aspect of my life.
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#147 Jun 14 2006 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
see what you get when you ask a gaming forum advice on wimmens?
#148 Jun 14 2006 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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see what you get when you ask a gaming forum advice on wimmens?
So now would be a bad time to discuss my miscarriage?
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#149 Jun 14 2006 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
So if I get off work early, come home and clean the house, cook her a beautiful dinner and spend the evening showering her with attention that 'nice' but in her view if I really loved her and cared I would have taken her out to dinner at some exotic restaurant followed by a evening of indepth soul sharing conversation leaving us in tears (I exagerate but you get the picture).

I realize that things have come to a head. The fundamental difference in how we view things (my contentment with where I am in life and her need to break new ground in the hope that contentment lies around the next corner) has led to a situation where as much as we like/enjoy/love each other we are gonna chafe over it. Either she is going to resent me for holding her back or I am going to resent her from pulling me away from friends/family etc.


If that's a problem for you, turning gay may be your only choice. Smiley: lol

I've never known a woman that was ever content with the way things were. They always seem to seek improvement. After marriage, you need to make more money. Always. You need a nicer place. Always. If you have a nice home, you have to do home improvements.

Ya know the "Honey Do" lists? It's no joke. And it all stems from the longing for improvement thing.

In the 20 years my parents lived at my childhood home I cant remember a time where our house wasnt being "improved". And I assure you it wasnt my father's idea.

Guys, well at least myself, seem to be more inclined to just live the life if everthing is working. Dont need a new job or big raise if I can pay all my bills and eat things other than Top Ramen. Dont need a nicer place if my apartment holds all my stuff and gives me a place to sleep.

Maybe it's lack of ambition. meh.

Women give guys direction. They are the bosses, really. If you fight that, especially in this day and age, you are in for some friction. I embraced it from day one and my wife and I get along wonderfully. We've only been living together about 3 years, but we've never had any big arguments. *whip crack*

At least I assume that's what your getting at. And this may be several days late, as what I quoted was from last week... I also tend to make vast, uneducated, generallizations.

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#150 Jun 14 2006 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Frakkor wrote:
see what you get when you ask a gaming forum advice on wimmens?
So now would be a bad time to discuss my miscarriage?
We already know all about Dracoid.
#151 Jun 14 2006 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
Nobby wrote:
The One and Only Frakkor wrote:
see what you get when you ask a gaming forum advice on wimmens?
So now would be a bad time to discuss my miscarriage?
We already know all about Dracoid.
Weak.
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