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#1 Jun 09 2006 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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Grandparents get life in prison, no parole for child's starvation



Five-year-old Jeffrey Baldwin was left to wither and die in a cold, fetid room. (Files) TORONTO (CP) - Two grandparents convicted of second-degree murder after they left five-year-old Jeffrey Baldwin to wither and die in a cold, fetid room were sentenced Friday to life in prison with no chance of parole for at least 20 years.
Elva Bottineau, 54, was ordered to serve 22 years in prison before becoming eligible for parole, while husband Norman Kidman, 53, will get his first chance at early release after 20 years behind bars, said Superior Court Justice David Watt.

During his sentencing, Watt told the couple they would be allowed to apply to have their sentences reduced after just 15 years, although he had few other positive words for Bottineau in particular, whom he described as "morally bankrupt."

Her "self-perception . . . is at odds with reality," Watt said as Bottineau shook her head in apparent disagreement.




"She thirsts for control, but flees from responsibility."

Bottineau and Kidman were supposed to save little Jeffrey and his siblings from a life of abuse at the hands of their birth parents.

Instead, the pair used the children as a source of income, collecting government support cheques in their names while confining the young ones to a dank, cold room in their house.




Court was told Jeffrey was hidden away in the unheated bedroom for as long as 14 hours a day, breathing in the stench of his own urine and *****.

The room contained wet, uncarpeted floors, mattresses soaked through and littered with stains, and bags of filthy diapers throughout.

"The inhumanity revealed here has shocked the community," Watt said. "They must pay a very steep price."


Jeffrey, who weighed just 21 pounds when he died in November 2002, was treated like a dog: he ate out of a bowl with his fingers and often drank from a toilet when he was thirsty.

Jeffrey and his sister - who cannot be named - were locked up so frequently that regular visitors to the home often had no idea they even lived there.

Although the siblings lived in squalor, the rest of the house was normal, including the living quarters of other children living in the house, court was told.

Kidman and Bottineau were also convicted of forcible confinement in the case of the boy's sister.

Emergency crews were shocked when they found Jeffrey's tiny, frail bone-rack of a body, which was stunted and severely damaged from years of malnutrition. Doctors later said he had more bacteria growth on his skin than they had ever seen.

He died of starvation and pneumonia, weighing less than he did when he turned a year old.

When his sister was rescued from the house, she too showed obvious signs of starvation - skinny limbs, a distended belly and open sores.

Bottineau's lawyer, Anil Kapoor, had argued his client did not deliberately kill her grandson. He cited a psychologist who testified Bottineau was mentally handicapped with a personality disorder that prevented her from seeing Jeffrey waste away.

Other expert witnesses contradicted that assessment at trial.

The Ontario coroner's office has said it intends to hold an inquest into the boy's death, although a date has not yet been announced.
#2 Jun 09 2006 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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Jesus Christ. That's awful.

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#3 Jun 09 2006 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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I find it surprising that they don't do mental health evals of folks before they give them custody. Poor kiddo.


I'm going to go home and feed Jophiel, Jr. Smiley: frown
#4 Jun 09 2006 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Rotting in a cell for 20 years strikes me as just a great end.


Death is too quick a punishment.
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#5 Jun 09 2006 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
Why must you post these things?!1!

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#6 Jun 09 2006 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
I find the fact that she isn't mentally disabled in any way to be the scariest part. To think that a sane person could do that to anyone, especially a child, is horrifying.
#7 Jun 09 2006 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Rotting in a cell for 20 years strikes me as just a great end.


Death is too quick a punishment.


Only if the mattress is wet and stained, the cell freezing cold and littered with *****, and a toilet the only available source of water.

That's justice.

#8 Jun 09 2006 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
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Nah

when they get a bad case of hepatitis from their cell mate that will be justice
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#9 Jun 09 2006 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to go home and feed Jophiel, Jr. Smiley: frown

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#10 Jun 09 2006 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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They DO have the death penalty in Kanaduh.

It's only carried out on toddlers who don't flush after they've taken a drink.
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#11 Jun 09 2006 at 6:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hate people. This is why I don't read/watch the news anymore.

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#12 Jun 09 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I know a lot of people like to think "death's too good for them - let them rot in prison the rest of their life and really suffer."

But what if this isn't true?

Humans tend to adapt to situations. People in prison who aren't homosexual adapt and strike up relationships - and many of them apparently enjoy it. If not that, they find things to do to have fun.

They read, they play cards, dominoes, checkers, chess - they write books - they write letters - they get sick demented people on the outside to become their girlfriends - they even marry such people and get conjugal visits. They can watch TV, listen to music, play sports.

Yeah, sane people still wouldn't like jail. But I just saw a news take on Scott Peterson, who is apparently having a good time in jail, answering all his fan mail and flirting with female guards. Yeah, he'll be killed if he's let into the general population - but he's in a special ward with other child-killers and etc. - and he doesnt' look "miserable."

That's why I just say, "kill em." I don't like it. I'm not happy about it. And I do want a much, MUCH better system that doesn't allow prosecuters to "find a ringer" and convict innocent people just to get the case moved along and the voters happy. But if someone brutally kills another - yeah - they die. They're just garbage.
#13 Jun 09 2006 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I hate seeing stuff like this. ; ; I heard of one story similar, these people had 7 foster kids which 5/7 where had special needs. They kept them in cages in their back yard when they were bad and fed them dog food. The youngest almost died, but someone reported them thankfully before he did.

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Most times child molesters and rapist don't last long in prison, which is usually why they seperate them, so the inmates won't kill them. I say if they get 20 yrs., let them be in total isolation. Hurting/killing children like that is unforgivable. Like you said other crimes are quick to be punished by Death, I say it should be considered in all cases like this.

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#14 Jun 09 2006 at 6:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I find the fact that she isn't mentally disabled in any way to be the scariest part. To think that a sane person could do that to anyone, especially a child, is horrifying.

Go watch the video of Zimbardo's prison experiment. Sane, rational people are capable of some nasty things.
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#15 Jun 09 2006 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
They DO have the death penalty in Kanaduh.

It's only carried out on toddlers who don't flush after they've taken a drink.

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You've always got a line ready, don't you?

#16 Jun 09 2006 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I saw this story earlier.

I've been saying that we need a death penalty for years for people like this but nobody ever seems to listen.
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#17 Jun 09 2006 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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It gets worse - they had prior convictions of child abuse.

Someone "forgot to check the file" on these two. I'd be for tossing that person into a concrete closet for a while.
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#18 Jun 10 2006 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
Ya know, I don't know why people think life in prison is such a "better" alternative than death. Eye for an eye, ******** I mean, seriously, that's one more person taxpayers are going to have to support. Okay, perhaps the person living every day with the knowledge that they took the life of innocent people is some kind of punishment, but fu[/Blueviolet]ck that sh[Darkorange]it!

Do you think half of the prisoners currently incarcerated really give a flying rat's *** about what they did that landed them in prison? HELL NO! Given the chance, they'll do it again. I say if your crime caused a death, then death should be an option for punishment.

The only real justice that could be served will hopefully be the constant ***-kickings and shankings those two fu[Hotpink][/Hotpink]cktards will recieve because they killed a kid.
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