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#77 Jun 09 2006 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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What specific rights are you referring to? Are there any laws preventing same sex couples from voting? Any laws preventing same sex couples from leaving inheritances to one another? Any laws preventing same sex couples from granting power of attorney to each other? Same sex couples have the same rights as heterosexual couples have the same rights as any individual whatsoever. Arguing that you are owed something by others is as retarded as me arguing that because the government subsidizes the pharmaceutical industry $20+ billion a year, I myself am owed a yearly $20+ billion subsidy, "in the name of equality". Sorry, no.


If they pass the amendment of marriage being identified as an union ONLY between a man and a woman, it would prevent gay people from getting married, and any marriages performed before that amendment before it is passed will become void. You still won't get it though.

Who said anything about being owed something? Equality is a human right. Sure, let all the gays be round up by the people who hate them and be beaten, because preventing them from manifesting their hatred toward gays would be intolerence?

You fail again.

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If you want a color of your skin analogy you are arguing along the lines that if it's ok for whites to surpress blacks, then it should be ok for blacks to surpress brown immigrants, in the name of "equality". Again, sorry, no.


WTF! Now your on immigration. You don't know what you are talking about. Who said anything about surpressing anyone. You can't read worth a damn and have clearly not come up with a sane arguement on what anyone has said.

By the way, an illegal immigrant does not have any constituitonal rights, thats why they're supposed to get a little something called US citizenship.

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Monx has some charmingly naive ideas of how government should work, or not work, as the case may be.

I pretty much wrote off his theories after the thread where he tried to tell everyone that the ideals of the Framers and the Enlightment Thinkers who inspired the Framers were irrelevant in determining the spirit of the Constitution. I mean, it's not as if Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, et al would possibly have a clue as to what they were trying to establish by writing the document. Surely, Monx knows better than them


My fault for keep arguing with someone who doesn't know wtf he is talking about. *hits head on desk*

I shall let someone else continue the carnage.








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#78 Jun 09 2006 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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My fault for keep arguing with someone who doesn't know wtf he is talking about. *hits head on desk*


Now you're getting it.
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#79 Jun 09 2006 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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My fault for keep arguing with someone who doesn't know wtf he is talking about. *hits head on desk*
Even better was the exquisitely honed debating technique he used to convince us all of the point -- "I already declared them irrelevant!"

I mean, if that doesn't cut your logic to the core, I don't think you're truely alive.
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#80 Jun 09 2006 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Keep in mind, people have been getting married in Massachussetts for over a year now.

The world hasn't ended, and unless you're gay or on the religious right, it doesn't really effect you.

Sure, it's not recognized at the federal level, but the federal governments been a joke for awhile now.



I want to reread what you posted and think about how dumb it sounds.
#81 Jun 09 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Keep in mind, people have been getting married in Massachussetts for over a year now.

The world hasn't ended, and unless you're gay or on the religious right, it doesn't really effect you.

Sure, it's not recognized at the federal level, but the federal governments been a joke for awhile now.



I want to reread what you posted and think about how dumb it sounds.


Your republican nuthugging is getting kind of boring.

You're starting to become the conservative version of bodhi, dude.
#82 Jun 09 2006 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Even better was the exquisitely honed debating technique he used to convince us all of the point -- "I already declared them irrelevant!"

I mean, if that doesn't cut your logic to the core, I don't think you're truely alive.


Resistance is futile.
#83 Jun 09 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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hdjska wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Keep in mind, people have been getting married in Massachussetts for over a year now.

The world hasn't ended, and unless you're gay or on the religious right, it doesn't really effect you.

Sure, it's not recognized at the federal level, but the federal governments been a joke for awhile now.



I want to reread what you posted and think about how dumb it sounds.


Your republican nuthugging is getting kind of boring.

You're starting to become the conservative version of bodhi, dude.


I was speaking from a strictly non-partisan perspective. The fact that things don't really matter b/c you can't see it is ridiculous.
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#84REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2006 at 2:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) We are talking about specific actions, pure and simple. The government takes money from some specific people and gives that money to other specific people for whatever reason it wants to. How is that "equality"? You don't object to that. So what basis do you have to object to the government granting the ceremony, recognition, and status of marriage to some people and denying it to others? You have none by your own statements, your own actions. You're a little baby crying that you want everything your way, and that's it.
#85 Jun 09 2006 at 2:15 PM Rating: Default
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
hdjska wrote:
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Keep in mind, people have been getting married in Massachussetts for over a year now.

The world hasn't ended, and unless you're gay or on the religious right, it doesn't really effect you.

Sure, it's not recognized at the federal level, but the federal governments been a joke for awhile now.



I want to reread what you posted and think about how dumb it sounds.


Your republican nuthugging is getting kind of boring.

You're starting to become the conservative version of bodhi, dude.


I was speaking from a strictly non-partisan perspective. The fact that things don't really matter b/c you can't see it is ridiculous.
Dude.


Whatever, I didn't read most of your post or any of this thread.
#86 Jun 09 2006 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Incoherent pyscho babble.


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#87 Jun 09 2006 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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Eqaulity is a human right


Yeah, than why are the rich taxed at a higher rate than the poor? Why does the pharmaceutical industry get a yearly $20 billion subsidy and I don't? Guess you don't care equally about everyone's human rights, huh? And that's the point that has lambasted you as a hypocritical intolerant bigot. Take a look a that so-called religious right mirror fool.

You both get subsidies proportional to your contribution to society. Equality!



But seriously, there's a difference between equality for gays, blacks, and women; and equality for people in different jobs or who make different amounts of money. See if you can figure out what that difference is.

#88 Jun 09 2006 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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But seriously, there's a difference between equality for gays, blacks, and women; and equality for people in different jobs or who make different amounts of money. See if you can figure out what that difference is.


He won't get it..infact here comes the rebuttal in 5..4..3..2..1.. and..action!
#89 Jun 09 2006 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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He won't get it..infact here comes the rebuttal in 5..4..3..2..1.. and..action!
Read Monx's triumphant entry into forum debate here
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#90REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2006 at 2:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Contribution measured by whom? You're saying same sex couples get the status proportional to their contriubtion to society, which is no recognition of marriage, because same sex couples don't contribute as much as married heterosexual couples do, to society?
#91 Jun 09 2006 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Apparently you are ignorant of the meaning of "But seriously,"


Fact of the day:

"Facetious" has all 5 vowels, in order!




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#92REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2006 at 2:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) But seriously, what?
#93 Jun 09 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Exactly.
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#94 Jun 09 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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Good night, folks!

#95 Jun 09 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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trickybeck wrote:
Apparently you are ignorant of the meaning of "But seriously,"


Fact of the day:

"Facetious" has all 5 vowels, in order!


You will send his brain into overload, and I won't stop you. You may carry on.

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Read Monx's triumphant entry into forum debate here


My faith in our education system just died a little more.
#96 Jun 09 2006 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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allenjj wrote:

So here's the solution; the common middle ground in which neither side gets exactly what they want, but both sides get get something they can live with. The word marriage shall remain soley for male/female couples who wish to be recognized by the state as united. Gay couples shall be able to unite, having all the same governmentally recognized rights as strait couples, under the verbage Civil Union.


This is what passes in your mind for an original thought...?

#97 Jun 09 2006 at 4:44 PM Rating: Good
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This is what passes in your mind for an original thought...?


I know, I know. The application of common sense in politics both shocks and frightens you. It's ok, I promise if you close your eyes really tight you can ignore solutions that might actually work.
#98 Jun 09 2006 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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kalaria wrote:

Jopiel wrote:
Read Monx's triumphant entry into forum debate here


My faith in our education system just died a little more.


When I read Monx's posts, it occurs to me, "My God, it's like the DSM-IV just up and started posting!"

Seriously. Paranoia, obsession with the concept of violence, self-aggrandizing delusions, narcissistic personality disorder...it's all there. He's a psychiatric melting pot.

#99 Jun 09 2006 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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This is what passes in your mind for an original thought...?


I know, I know. The application of common sense in politics both shocks and frightens you. It's ok, I promise if you close your eyes really tight you can ignore solutions that might actually work.


It has nothing to do with whether or not it would actually work, or whether or not I would support it.

It has to do with the fact that you present this idea as though it's something new and innovative and shocking, as though you are the first to whom it ever occurred. When, in fact, it's tired and has been done to death. Welcome to five years ago. You're not new, you're not original. If you're going to trot out rehashed ideas that have already long ago been dissected, do us the favor of not making an entire new thread around them, when dozens already exist.

#100 Jun 09 2006 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
While I can't compete with such intellectual stunners like this, I thought it relevant to start a discussion on an issue that has immediate relavence in today's world.

Nice to see that I can count on you and MonxDoT to dumb it down a few notches. Smiley: oyvey
#101 Jun 09 2006 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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allenjj wrote:
While I can't compete with such intellectual stunners like this,


Nice example of the point I'm trying to make. See? Even when I'm trying to be silly and lighthearted, I'm still more original than you.

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I thought I would rehash a topic on something that's already been discussed in multiple other threads, under the auspice of pretending I had some dazzling new insight to offer


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