Solving the gay marriage issueFollow

Are you finished? and....scene.

Yes. Feel free to grab a towel and wipe your face before you leave.

Don't confuse my face with that homeless man on the street that you like to bang.

Can feel the love we all have for eachother.^^;

Edited, Jun 9th 2006 at 11:44am EST by kalaria

While not an innately horrible idea, I doubt you'd get much support for it. However they package it, "civil unions" is seen as a downgrade from "marriage" and you'll have a hard time convincing the voting public to support having their own marital status changed.

I know, I know -- it shouldn't make a difference in a technical sense. But it will on an emotional level which is enough to kill the idea.

BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE MARRIED!

WTF, you have no idea what you are talking about. You can already have your own ceremony, so again wtf are you talking about.

So I guess next, you'll call me a bigot because I got a child tax credt, and was able to deduct daycare expenses and you should get the same. You make no sense.

Edited, Jun 9th 2006 at 12:33pm EST by kalaria

I just have to try one more time to explain things to MonoDot, Icky and distasteful as I find his posts.

Marriage is a legal Contract recognize by laws governing financial and legal interests of the parties who wrote the contract. State laws give a marriage contract sign before a clerk of the Court, legal rights that non married people do not.

Federal Law only gets involve then a State law is unconstitutional. Then the federal courts can strike down a State law. As they did in Brown vs. Board of Education.. It didn't make any one change their beliefs. Instead many people who didn't want their child attend classes with Blacks, just took them out of pubic school and started private Christian schools for their children. As a child I remember a news report on just this subject after a court rule segregation ruling.

There is no law saying you must send children to public schools. That would be unjust. Just as you don't have to recognize your neighbors have a different set of beliefs then you do. There are laws though against showing your intolerance by burning crosses or signs where all can see the message you wish to be known.

I currently choose to stay unmarried because it gives me benefits I would lose if I married Jonwin. Our families would love to see a public display of our commitment to each other, but current signed contracts with government agencies and Jonwin's health plan make marriage financially mistake for the two of us. If he had a better health plan and I was healthy enough to work, we would jump at the chance to sign a marriage contract before a clerk of the State. So by most churches dogma we are sinful for loving each other, outside of marriage.

The notion that gayness is not wrong arises from reason, not from some magical egg-laying bunny, or the lack thereof. Which is the key difference.

The problem is if I show any sign of making a commitment to Jonwin, I lose Medicaid under SSI rules. Neither of us can afford the financial stress of my health care costs at this time. It's a choice many people who have high medical expenses or rely on Social Security are now facing.

Why should a Widow get married, if it means losing the benefits she currently gets from her former husband's Soc. Sec. Account?

Keep in mind, people have been getting married in Massachussetts for over a year now.

The world hasn't ended, and unless you're gay or on the religious right, it doesn't really effect you.

Sure, it's not recognized at the federal level, but the federal governments been a joke for awhile now.

Monx has some charmingly naive ideas of how government should work, or not work, as the case may be.

I pretty much wrote off his theories after the thread where he tried to tell everyone that the ideals of the Framers and the Enlightment Thinkers who inspired the Framers were irrelevant in determining the spirit of the Constitution. I mean, it's not as if Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, et al would possibly have a clue as to what they were trying to establish by writing the document. Surely, Monx knows better than them