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#27REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2006 at 10:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What rights and responsibilities?
#28 Jun 09 2006 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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What unique rights or responsibilites does a married couple have that a single person doesn't? None.
I didn't say 'unique'. I said there were various rights and responsibilites that came with marriage as a de facto arrangement. Yes, you can fill out legal paperwork to grant your non-married partner all manners of the same thing. That's not remotely relevant here. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.
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#29REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2006 at 10:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I already did. Ceremony and recognition. :p And more specifically, forcing others to celebrate and recognize it even if they do not want to.
#30 Jun 09 2006 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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You're married if you get married. There's no reason to force someone else to have to grant recognition to that. It's completely intolerant to force a business to provide same sex benefits if that business only wants to provide heterosexual couple benefits. Just as it would be equally intolerant to force a business to provide heterosexual couple benefits if that business only wants to provide same sex couple benefits.


So allowing discrimination is better choice? Keeping things equal is not intolerance. That is like saying segretation was intolerant to the people who didnt want to go to school with Blacks. Seriously, some people need to be forced to treat people fairly, because some can't get past their biased views and will continue to discriminate.

Thats why there is a government to intervene(sp?). To try and keep things equal, or else you would have America in a big revolt. Everyone would be fighting to have power, without a government to try and keep things equal.

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Don't force others to pay for your ceremony or recognition. You're either for live and let live, or you're against it. And the advocates of same sex marriage are certainly against live and let live, and it's no surprise that they and the religious right have declared cultural warfare upon each other.


No, they are forcing their beliefs on the gay community. All gay people want is to be equal and have the same rights a heterosexual. It is not that hard to understand. So, because Gay people aren't allowing the religious fanatics to prevent them from getting married without a fight, they are considered rebels. FAITH does not equal FACT and is the reason why our constitution is not the Bible.

Preventing marriage because of sexual prefrence is discrimination. Not allowing people to turn their faith into law is not intolerance, it is keeping things equal.

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I already did. Ceremony and recognition. :p And more specifically, forcing others to celebrate and recognize it even if they do not want to.


Last time I looked, YOU dont have to go to the wedding, or watch someone have sex with the same sex. Who said you HAVE to celebrate it. That reasoning makes no sense. Government allowing same sex marriage won't change their beliefs, just **** them off.

Edited, Jun 9th 2006 at 10:29am EST by kalaria
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I'll leave it to you to figure out why.
I already did. Ceremony and recognition. :p And more specifically, forcing others to celebrate and recognize it even if they do not want to.
You lose.
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#32 Jun 09 2006 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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So here's the solution; the common middle ground in which neither side gets exactly what they want, but both sides get get something they can live with. The word marriage shall remain soley for male/female couples who wish to be recognized by the state as united. Gay couples shall be able to unite, having all the same governmentally recognized rights as strait couples, under the verbage Civil Union.


Not good enough.

IF you don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to vote ever again. There, problem solved!
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#33 Jun 09 2006 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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The solution to this and many other issues is easily solved.



Just kill all the stupid people and Presto! all is well with the world.
#34REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2006 at 10:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Good, then tell the State to get out of the marriage business absolutely. Don't advocate more of the same for another new group. And don't advocate such discrimination and intolerance against single people. Let everybody voluntarily pay for their own ceremony, and let everyone voluntarily choose to recognize legitimacy or lack of legitimacy when it comes to marriage.
#35REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2006 at 10:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's funny Joph, considering I just spanked you by pointing out there are no rights or responsibilities that exist for married people that do not exist for single people, contrary to your original claim. Rights do not vary according to marital status. To any extent to which they might is unequal treatment under the law, a constitutional violation.
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That's funny Joph, considering I just spanked you by pointing out there are no rights or responsibilities that exist for married people that do not exist for single people, contrary to your original claim.
Had I claimed that they were unique, you might have had a point Smiley: laugh
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Rights do not vary according to marital status.
Of course they do. The fact that they may be obtained via other measures in no way diminishes the rights that come about from marriage.
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But go ahead and build me some good arguments advocating State ceremony and recognition of gay marriage so I can use those same arguments against differential taxation upon the rich.
You don't even know what you were arguing about. Which is why you lost.
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#37 Jun 09 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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No where in this thread did the words "nuke", "guided missiles", or "firebomb" appear.

#38 Jun 09 2006 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Wait, so you're saying a couple shouldn't be allowed to discriminate in their sexual relations? Others should have equal access to your wife/husband/goat?


WTF, are you talking about. You know damn well what a person does behind closed doors is up to them.

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Ok, so the State will force beautfiul people to marry ugly people? Or only beautiful people can marry beautiful people and ugly people ugly people?


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No, government exists to prevent violence, not to initate violence on a grander scale, much as you care to.


And to intervene when needed. So Im intianting violence by wanting equality, you fail.

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And that is forcing "FAITH as FACT" (or whatever the hell you're talking about) on others. Advocates of gay marriage and the religious right are *both* fanatics.



To you gays wanting equal rights equals fanatic. Wrong. Some one who uses their FAITH in a god to promote unequality just because they think it is wrong, and others have no right to dare question their beliefs, is a fantic.

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So is getting married to one specific person and not another specific person.


No you that is personal preference. Obviously you fail to understand the meaning of discrimination.

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Good, then tell the State to get out of the marriage business absolutely. Don't advocate more of the same for another new group. And don't advocate such discrimination and intolerance against single people. Let everybody voluntarily pay for their own ceremony, and let everyone voluntarily choose to recognize legitimacy or lack of legitimacy when it comes to marriage.



When the hell do people pay for weddings for people they dont know. Take Civics, US Government then come back and try again.
#39 Jun 09 2006 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Are you still here? o.O; ^.^ :P
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Edited, Jun 9th 2006 at 12:53pm EST by kalaria
#41 Jun 09 2006 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Jun 9th 2006 at 12:46pm EST by kalaria
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Edited, Jun 9th 2006 at 12:54pm EST by kalaria
#43 Jun 09 2006 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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No where in this thread did the words "nuke", "guided missiles", or "firebomb" appear.





Just use your imagination with the idea I put out earlier.
#44 Jun 09 2006 at 11:11 AM Rating: Default
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2 words: "civil unions"

Seems to me a good comporomise.
#45 Jun 09 2006 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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2 words: "civil unions"
How innovative. Quick, tell someone else before you forget and this idea is lost forever!

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#46REDACTED, Posted: Jun 09 2006 at 11:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And someone who uses their FAITH in no god is somehow different, because they think being gay is not wrong?
#47 Jun 09 2006 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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And someone who uses their FAITH in no god is somehow different, because they think being gay is not wrong?


You crack me up. You can't have faith in something you don't believe exists. Some gay people believe in God, all gays aren't Atheist. Look up faith, then try again.

I am Atheist because for ME, there is no God. I'm not believing anything someone told me, I came to this conclusion myself. There is no faith involved in believing there is no god.

Edited, Jun 9th 2006 at 11:35am EST by kalaria
#48 Jun 09 2006 at 11:22 AM Rating: Default
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I want you to know, Kalaria, that I have rated down all of your posts equally. Please stop talking.
#49 Jun 09 2006 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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MonxDoT wrote:
No, had you been able to enumerate a single right marriage grants, you might have had a point. Obviously, any rights are a priori to "marriage". By definition of no new unique rights being granted by marriage, no rights whatsoever are granted by marriage.
Whoosh!!! Smiley: laugh
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#50 Jun 09 2006 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
I am so fu[/Aqua]cking sick of this issue. I'm tired of fighting over it, I'm tired of arguing and trying to use logic against people immune to logic. From now on, all I have to say to people arguing against equal rights for gays and lesbians is this: fu[Aqua]ck you, moron. That goes for MonxDoT and everyone else. I'm sick of this sh[Aqua][/Aqua]it. I'm tired of people telling me there's something wrong with me or that I'm doing something wrong over an issue I cannot control.
#51 Jun 09 2006 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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I am so fu[Aqua][/Aqua]cking sick of this issue. I'm tired of fighting over it, I'm tired of arguing and trying to use logic against people immune to logic.
But not tired of posting about it! Smiley: wink2
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