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#1 Jun 07 2006 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Question for all the geeks out there....

How can you tell if your employer is monitoring your internet usage at work? Any programs you can find running in the background? Processes that give it away?

I'm sure that over the years, my employers have enough racist/sexist/stupid comments to fire me 100 times, but just thought I would ask.
#2 Jun 07 2006 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
If your office uses a proxy server, then they are tracking your usage.

If not, they may still be, but you probably wouldn't be able to tell by any processes running on your PC. Most internet tracking is done via the outbound network packets.

If you haven't been fired by now, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
#3 Jun 07 2006 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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Just assume that they are.
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Nice co[Azure][/Azure]ckpuppet.
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#7 Jun 07 2006 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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If they are monitoring, it's likely they are doing it by monitoring the firewall. There is no way to tell if they are doing it, but chances are they look at it occasionally.

At my company we have less than 300 users locally, and around 300 or so machines. With 4 people in the department there's not a lot of time to go around checking on what people are doing. Unless you're browsing ****, I wouldn't be too worried.
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#8 Jun 07 2006 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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If they are monitoring, it's likely they are doing it by monitoring the firewall.

S'how I do it. Completely transparent to the user and stored in a database for easy query. I also have a copy of every single piece of email that goes into or comes out of this office.

I wouldn't track anything unless there was a complaint. I don't like the idea of sifting through millions of records looking for possible **** links or millions of emails looking for people chatting about their exboyfriends sister's cousing being a *****.
#9 Jun 07 2006 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
At our company they don't actually look through what you have viewed unless someone b[Aliceblue][/Aliceblue]itches, then they do an audit. Not sure how long the records go back, our company is pretty large.
#10 Jun 07 2006 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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So they could basically have records of every post I've ever made? Besides the comparing user name to the posts I mean. They can tell everything I've entered into text boxes?

I've never looked at anything bad, just curious really. And now I don't feel very comfortable doing any sort of banking/bill-paying from work if that's the case.
#11 Jun 07 2006 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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but chances are they look at it occasionally.



depends on how many people are at your company too. Chances are they are not sitting there singling out internet traffic.. unless they are specifically asked to. or really boredSmiley: sly


We have a feature that will list the most "hit upon" websites.... if I was a total prick I could look at that every month or so and block them.

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So they could basically have records of every post I've ever made?


Usually it is everytime you clicked on a Link or hit Refresh.. or in any way interacted with a Website.

I really doubt that they would be able to monitor waht you have typed in posts.... unless they have a Keylogger on your machine... Start being nice to your IT guySmiley: grin

Edited, Jun 7th 2006 at 11:26am EST by Kelvyquayo
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#12 Jun 07 2006 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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They can tell everything I've entered into text boxes?
While it's a technical possibility, the chances of that are fairly slim. Rarely does tracking involve content so much as source and destination. So they would most likely be able to sas "Neph went to X site Y number of times on Z date." and even that is a bit nebulous. Also, if your IP scheme at work is set up for DHCP it could be even harder to track things back to a specific machine depending on the rules set for lease expiry.
#13 Jun 07 2006 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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They can tell everything I've entered into text boxes?
Also, if your IP scheme at work is set up for DHCP it could be even harder to track things back to a specific machine depending on the rules set for lease expiry.


Great. Now in English? Smiley: tongue


Thanks for the info. I just want to make sure that my IT guy doesn't decide to start emptying my bank account on account of my millions.
#14 Jun 07 2006 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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I somehow convinced my boss 8 years ago to let my computer stay as a standalone computer. Only one monitoring my computer is me! Smiley: grin
#15 Jun 07 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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#16 Jun 07 2006 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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DHCP = Automatic assignment of IP address to each machine on your network.

IP Address = Unique numbered identifier for a machine on a network.

If that's the case, the IP address of any machine has the possibility of changing from time to time. So while you might have one IP address today, it might be different tomorrow.

If your Netadmins have the IP addresses set up static then they will always know which machine has which IP address and can track things back to a precise location.

Crappy Analogy time!

Imagine 10 people working in a building. Each morning when they come in to work, they grab a badge at the front door with a number on it, from 1-10. They always take the number on the top of the pile, regardless of which number it is, and always in the order that they arrive at work.

After a job is complete, each employee signs the number of their badge to the job.

Now, let's say one guy come in to work early one day and gets a different number badge then he usually gets. Now all the jobs he completes will have a different number than he would have written the day before. The same holds true for anyone else that shows up at an off time.


That's sort of how DHCP works. The only exception of course is that the protocol generally requests the IP address it had prior to expiration.
#17 Jun 07 2006 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
We have a feature that will list the most "hit upon" websites.... if I was a total prick I could look at that every month or so and block them.

See, I've wondered about this. I figured our IT department may have monthly reports or something that show the most frequently accessed websites on the network, along with all the users accessing those sites.

Or maybe pre-arranged reports generated when a flagged amount of web traffic from individuals users is reached. And when that happens, the reports are sent straight to the user's manager....




yes, if I worked as much as I'm paid to work, this wouldn't be an issue....GFY




Edited, Jun 7th 2006 at 12:23pm EST by Jawbox
#18 Jun 07 2006 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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Chances are your IT person is fu[Aquamarine][/Aquamarine]cking off on some other forum anyway.
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#19 Jun 07 2006 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
If your system is setup as DHCP it becomes very easy to keep them running in circles.

If you can access the dos prompt (which you can do no matter how much securities on a machine but I'll avoid that for now) then you can type:

ipconfig /release

then wait a few and given that there's at least one person who logs off

ipconfig /renew

and most of the time you'll get a new address.

If the systems being stubborn you can even assign yourself a specific ip address but that gets complicated and unless you know which addresses are free you can cause an IP conflict.
#20 Jun 07 2006 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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ipconfig instructions


Or you could just download your **** at home.
#21 Jun 07 2006 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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Use remote desktop and access the net through your home computer.


'Course if you're paranoid about the IT guys stealing info rather than reporting you, I guess that doesn't help.

#22 Jun 07 2006 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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So they could basically have records of every post I've ever made?

Yes and no, just of every time you've click a link. Reply to fifty messages and you'll have fifty entries in the proxy log. In my company's proxy setup all we do is look for high volume traffic ( actual GB's transferred or # of connections ) and review it. It's rare that we stumble on anything so outside the norm that makes us come down with the hammer. Granted I'm talking traffic allowed by policy, adult stuff has it's own swift retribution.

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They can tell everything I've entered into text boxes?


Only if they were targeting you, doing it for everyone flowing through your company proxy isn't cost effective. Key logging on your desktop would give them this info also. lol But as much as you post you'd heard about it by now. :)

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And now I don't feel very comfortable doing any sort of banking/bill-paying from work if that's the case.


This comes back to what browser encryption you're using at those sites. Once you've logged on to a secure site, the data stream going from your browser to the site isn't something that your average company can break into easily.

Zium

Edited, Wed Jun 7 16:14:22 2006 by Zium
#23 Jun 07 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
Chances are your IT person is fu[Aquamarine][/Aquamarine]cking off on some other forum anyway.


/nod

You could come work at my company Neph. Any experience in biotechnology?
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#24 Jun 07 2006 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
At the office where I work, there are only 8 of us. We have static IP addresses so we can remote access our work computers from home.

To the best of my knowledge, we only have Norton Antivirus & our Windows xp built-in firewall protecting our system.

Neither system creates a log, do they? I am curious, mainly because I don't care for my boss to see how much time I spend surfing the internet, but also since I am in charge of 3 others, now I want to see if they have been slacking too.

Thanks.
#25 Jun 07 2006 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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since I am in charge of 3 others, now I want to see if they have been slacking too.


Tyrant.
#26 Jun 07 2006 at 3:53 PM Rating: Good
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mrwookie wrote:
At the office where I work, there are only 8 of us. We have static IP addresses so we can remote access our work computers from home.

To the best of my knowledge, we only have Norton Antivirus & our Windows xp built-in firewall protecting our system.

Neither system creates a log, do they? I am curious, mainly because I don't care for my boss to see how much time I spend surfing the internet, but also since I am in charge of 3 others, now I want to see if they have been slacking too.

Thanks.


I don't believe the XP security firewall logs the hits like the more complex firewalls do. They could still check your cookies and temp internet files to see what sites you're visiting, but they don't list how often or how much time or anything.
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