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#27 Jun 05 2006 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
ohh she dumped me! ohh i need to cut myself, its soo good... need more blades!

and whats with the hair? all short and the bangs in the face... looks really dumb

in my day when we felt bad we just got into a fight to hurt are selves, and atleast hurt someone else

Edited, Mon Jun 5 20:53:20 2006 by Micitan
#28 Jun 05 2006 at 8:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't most ivy leaguers end up as doctors eventually? maybe it's just practice!
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#29 Jun 05 2006 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
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No pun ? Smiley: grin
#30 Jun 05 2006 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't worry, be happy now...

People just don't know how to have fun anymore. Really, I'm one of the "loser" (not emo, just loser) kids, and I have never felt an urge to cut myself. I've been denied dates, gotten in fights with friends, been laughed at by the "cool" kids (sarcasm is your friend), etc... and I can say that it's just pretty pathetic to have self-mutilation as a stress outlet.

High school sucks. So? Get over it. High school isn't your life. I do hardly any work regarding to school outside of school and my grades are great. AP classes and all that.

I just don't get it.
#31 Jun 05 2006 at 8:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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always pun intended! because i'm evil like that.
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#32 Jun 05 2006 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
It wasn't the first time I saw the title but for some reason I could of sworn it said "Tare goes Emo"

This makes no sense since tare appears in between long absences and writes hardly anything so I really shouldn't have any impression of him/her - indeed, it seems I never picked up on which gender it is.

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Nearly 1 in 5 students at two Ivy League schools
It seems to be more of a reaction to stress. This is furthered by the fact that (at least as of the early 90's) MIT (the leading tech school, not the bums on the mountain) had the highest rate of suicide (normally by jumping but apples and oranges are both fruit).
#33 Jun 06 2006 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
You say tomato...
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#34 Jun 06 2006 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
That 1 in 5 number includes people that have cut themselves, twice, three times a lifetime. Yeah this is literally an Emo study, attempting to make things seem as they are not. Guess that would also include silly initiations like seeing how long one could hold their hand over a lighter, tiniest pain = "hurt".

This is just the butterfly insanity effect of confusion from those grade school Chinese cuts which are still sorting themselves out. But what do the cuttees care as long as they get their checks cut from cutting up the cutter problem.
#35 Jun 06 2006 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I used to cut myself on occasion in high school. Also burned myself with lighters - Bics on the left arm, Zippos on the right - one such Bic scar looks like a football helmet. I've always been rather emotionally disturbed.

And, to respond to another stereotype posted here, I usually went to class *regardless* of how stoned or drunk I was.
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#36 Jun 06 2006 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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That 1 in 5 number includes people that have cut themselves, twice, three times a lifetime. Yeah this is literally an Emo study, attempting to make things seem as they are not. Guess that would also include silly initiations like seeing how long one could hold their hand over a lighter, tiniest pain = "hurt".

This is just the butterfly insanity effect of confusion from those grade school Chinese cuts which are still sorting themselves out. But what do the cuttees care as long as they get their checks cut from cutting up the cutter problem.
Please tell me you were pretending to be drunk, not witty.

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I used to cut myself on occasion in high school. Also burned myself with lighters - Bics on the left arm, Zippos on the right - one such Bic scar looks like a football helmet. I've always been rather emotionally disturbed.

And, to respond to another stereotype posted here, I usually went to class *regardless* of how stoned or drunk I was.
Never really got into burns so much. They always left blisters and didn't feel right. Maybe I just didn't do it well enough. Then again I've never really been the emotional type. At times I did give myself a few good slices before a football game or wrestling tourney and get all jack diesel on people.

The majority of my injuries these days are a result from things magically flying at my hands in childish fits of frustration. Don't tell me you don't do similar things when that fuc[Azure][/Azure]king *** in the silver car comes flying out of nowhere on the last lap in a GT3 race after you already passed him and saw him crash into a wall. Smiley: motz I've lost countless PC keyboards and PS2 controllers. =(

I also find I hurt myself when I hurt myself. I'm notorious for pounding on the nearest hard, mostly non-breakable surface when I stub my toe. Man that pisses me off.
#37 Jun 06 2006 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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"People just don't know how to have fun anymore. Really, I'm one of the "loser" (not emo, just loser) kids, and I have never felt an urge to cut myself. I've been denied dates, gotten in fights with friends, been laughed at by the "cool" kids..." --Dodo

Doesn't that pretty much sum up everybody's experience in high school? I have yet to meet a high schooler who believed his experience was golden, even those who others perceived as being the popular kids. In fact, those are often the ones most afraid of being different or the butt of public scorn.

As for these kids who supposedly have terrifying hurdles to overcome in Ivy League schools and thus self mutilate as a form of stress relief, that is nothing more than an excuse to be hip and fit into yet another passing fad in the abscence of any other good or logical reason to beg for attention, even though they are blessed beyond their wildest imaginations. Let's face it, if anybody had reason to cut themselves, it'd be the poor and disenfranchised, not the priviledged and wealthy.

But, hey! Everybody wants to fit in, right? And who ever claimed human behavior was predicated on solid reasoning?

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#38 Jun 06 2006 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I also find I hurt myself when I hurt myself. I'm notorious for pounding on the nearest hard, mostly non-breakable surface when I stub my toe. Man that pisses me off.


Anthropomorphic blame is a far more serious problem. 9/10 people say they have purposely attempted to injure inanimate objects by banging, smashing, using hate speech, or other methods, a distrubing phenomenon that psychologists say they are hearing about more often. It's just too bad looking for blood in stones isn't as lucrative as mining for gold or drilling for oil.
#39 Jun 06 2006 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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If I had to guess, FleaJo, I'd say it is relatively new behavior, at least in terms of its' mass usage by its' adherents.

I don't disagree with that statement, but what I was trying to point out is, at least according to certain researchers, body modification/mutilation as a whole has had a presence as a whole in society for centuries; sometimes as a coming-of-age ritual (tattooing in New Guinea), sometimes as ornamentation that runs the gamut from accepted to shocking(body piercings), and sometimes, as a method for expressing emotion or grief (Anishnabe shave their head to show grief, old Catholic self-flagellation to show humility, piety).

I don't agree that self-mutilation is your "in" to being emo, but, like any behavior, surrounding yourself with people who practice it helps the rationalization of the reasoning behind it, if any.

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Only a couple times I have felt the need to harm myself, but not by cutting or because I was depressed, but a couple of times I have felt so angry/fustrated I left a couple blood stained holes in the (sheet-rock) wall of my room where I used to live.
Ah. You may have the newly minted Intermittent Explosive Disorder. In any case, using physical pain to center/calm yourself isn't the bees' knees. I'm sure you're aware.

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And, to respond to another stereotype posted here, I usually went to class *regardless* of how stoned or drunk I was.
Here's looking at you, kid. Smiley: laugh
Technically then, Deb, you wouldn't be a loser.
#40 Jun 06 2006 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Inasmuch as I *am* a loser (er, "was") I just wanted to set the record straight: not all losers skipped class. Smiley: laugh

I did tend to fall asleep rather often, though, to the point where my bio teacher would throw pens at my head to wake me up. Smiley: snore
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#41 Jun 06 2006 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Ah. You may have the newly minted Intermittent Explosive Disorder.

That sounds like a precusor to Spontaneous Human Combustion. Smiley: yikes
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#42 Jun 06 2006 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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The majority of my injuries these days are a result from things magically flying at my hands in childish fits of frustration. Don't tell me you don't do similar things when that fuc[Azure][/Azure]king *** in the silver car comes flying out of nowhere on the last lap in a GT3 race after you already passed him and saw him crash into a wall. Smiley: motz I've lost countless PC keyboards and PS2 controllers. =(


I *hate* it when people do that with my crap. I mean, if it's your PC/gaming system, and you get angry and want to throw the cordless mouse at the wall because of it, go for it.

But throwing a hissy and tossing somebody else's (my) PS2 controller into a nearby hard surface because you're too tired to react quick enough and end up dying in the same place over and over and over is juvenile.
#43 Jun 06 2006 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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As for these kids who supposedly have terrifying hurdles to overcome in Ivy League schools and thus self mutilate as a form of stress relief, that is nothing more than an excuse to be hip and fit into yet another passing fad in the abscence of any other good or logical reason to beg for attention, even though they are blessed beyond their wildest imaginations. Let's face it, if anybody had reason to cut themselves, it'd be the poor and disenfranchised, not the priviledged and wealthy.


Yeah, really not that simple. The much higher percentage of kids killing themselves at Ivy Legue schools aren't doing it to fit in either.

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#44 Jun 06 2006 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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The much higher percentage of kids killing themselves at Ivy Legue schools aren't doing it to fit in either.
Actually, a widespread study on college and university rates hasn't been done since the 80s, and whatever research I come accross doesn't support that statement, although I'd be interested if you know of something published which contradicts that. Here is a white paper done by HHS on the subject in '04. It reference the study I spoke of as the "Big Ten" study, although it clarifies that it ran thru the 90s. I found this interesting:
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Although the suicide rate of college students is only about half the national rate for a sample matched by age, gender, and race (Silverman, Meyer, Sloane, Raffel, & Pratt,
1997), suicide and attempted suicide are the tip of the iceberg of a larger mental health and substance abuse problem among college students. A national survey of college counselors found that 84 percent perceived an increase in students with more serious psychological problems over the past five years (Gallagher, 2002). Almost 16 percent of college women and 10 percent of college men report having been diagnosed with
depression at some time in their lives (American College Health Association [ACHA],2001). Forty-four percent of students surveyed at four-year colleges reported drinking heavily during the two weeks prior to the survey (Wechsler, Lee, Kuo, & Lee, 2000). These problems have significant implications for students’ lives, academic performance,and behavior.


Nothing hikes up the suicide rate like a person with depression who is not being treated, or, due to lifestyle or personal decisions, decides to stop taking meds.


I think it's largely ineffective to compare pressure to fit in among the rich vs. poor, because late adolescence and young adulthood are all about peer pressure, and the skills and behaviors needed to successfully navigate through adulthood. You have people who can innately cope, and those that can learn, and those that, through either lack of will or chemical inbalance, are just unable to.

Edited, Tue Jun 6 12:05:26 2006 by Atomicflea
#45 Jun 06 2006 at 2:31 PM Rating: Default
Eh, I've found tattoos, piercing, and bdsm to be a much better way to deal with things. At least the first 2 leave nifty souvenirs and the last is a group effort. A healthy social environment is important to a well adjusted life. /nod
#46 Jun 06 2006 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
If it's such a good way of dealing with things, why'd you have to make a sock to talk about it?
#47 Jun 06 2006 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, really not that simple. The much higher percentage of kids killing themselves at Ivy Legue schools aren't doing it to fit in either.



The ones killing the other kids might be though!
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#48 Jun 06 2006 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
A sock?
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#49 Jun 06 2006 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
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You want non-conformist loser? I look like f[Azure][/Azure]ucking John Lennon, and the 60's ended 36 years ago! These emo kids have no idea how to not fit in.
#50 Jun 06 2006 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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You poor *******. You must look like ****.

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