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#1 Jun 05 2006 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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All I have to say is WTF? I don't remember there being a ratio of 1 loser in every 5 people in highschool. Have things changed that much?

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CHICAGO - Nearly 1 in 5 students at two Ivy League schools say they have purposely injured themselves by cutting, burning or other methods, a disturbing phenomenon that psychologists say they are hearing about more often.

For some young people, self-abuse is an extreme coping mechanism that seems to help relieve stress; for others it's a way to make deep emotional wounds more visible.

The results of the survey at Cornell and Princeton are similar to other estimates on this frightening behavior. Counselors say it's happening at colleges, high schools and middle schools across the country.

Separate research found more than 400 Web sites devoted to subject, including many that glorify self-injury. Some worry that many sites serve as an online subculture that fuels the behavior — although whether there has been an increase in the practice or just more awareness is unclear.

Sarah Rodey, 20, a University of Illinois student who started cutting herself at age 16, said some online sites help socially isolated kids feel like they belong. One of her favorites includes graphic photographs that the site warns might be "triggering."

"I saw myself in some of those pictures, in the poems. And because I saw myself there, I wanted to connect to it better" by self-injuring, Rodey said.

The Web sites, recent books and media coverage are pulling back the curtain on the secretive practice and helping researchers better understand why some as young as grade-schoolers do it.

"You're trying to get people to know that you're hurting, and at the same time, it pushes them away" because the behavior is so distressing, said Rodey, who has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

The latest prevalence estimate comes from an analysis of responses from 2,875 randomly selected male and female undergraduates and graduate students at Cornell and Princeton who completed an Internet-based mental health survey.

Seventeen percent said they had purposely injured themselves; among those, 70 percent had done so multiple times. The estimate is comparable to previous reports on U.S. adolescents and young adults, but slightly higher than studies of high school students in Australia and the United Kingdom.

The study appears in this month's issue of Pediatrics, released Monday. Cornell psychologist Janis Whitlock, the study's main author, also led the Web site research, published in April in Developmental Psychology.

Among the Ivy League students who harmed themselves, about half said they'd experienced sexual, emotional or physical abuse that researchers think can trigger self-abuse.

Repeat self-abusers were more likely than non-injurers to be female and to have had eating disorders or suicidal tendencies, although self-injuring is usually not considered a suicide attempt.

Greg Eels, director of counseling and psychological services at Cornell, said the study's findings are not surprising. "We see it frequently and it seems to be an increasing phenomenon."

While Eels said the competitive, stressful college environment may be particularly intense at Ivy League schools, he thinks the results reflect a national problem.

Dr. Daniel Silverman, a study co-author and Princeton's director of health services, said the study has raised consciousness among his staff, who are now encouraged to routinely ask about self-abuse when faced with students "in acute distress."

"Unless we start talking about it and making it more acceptable for people to come forward, it will remain hidden," Silverman said.

Some self-injurers have no diagnosable illness but have not learned effective ways to cope with life stresses, said Victoria White Kress, an associate professor at Youngstown State University in Ohio. She consults with high schools and says demand for her services has risen in recent years.

Psychologists who work with middle and high schools "are overwhelmed with referrals for these kids," said psychologist Richard Lieberman, who coordinates a suicide prevention program for Los Angeles public schools.

He said one school recently reported several fourth-graders with burns on their arms, and another seeking help for "15 hysterical seventh-grade girls in the office and they all have cuts on their arms."

In those situations, Lieberman said there's usually one instigator whose behavior is copied by sympathetic but probably less troubled friends.

Rodey, a college sophomore, said cutting became part of her daily high school routine.

"It was part of waking up, getting dressed, the last look in the mirror and then the cut on the wrist. It got to be where I couldn't have a perfect day without it," Rodey said.

"If I was apprehensive about going to school, or I wasn't feeling great, I did that and I'd get a little rush," she said.

Whitlock is among researchers who believe that "rush" is feel-good hormones called endorphins produced in response to pain. But it is often followed by deep shame and the injuries sometimes require medical treatment.

Vicki Duffy, 37, runs a Morris County, N.J., support group and said when she was in her 20s, she had skin graft surgery on her arms after burning herself with cigarettes and a fire-starter. After psychological and drug treatment, she stopped the behavior 10 years ago.

Author of the 2004 book "No More Pain: Breaking the Silence of Self-Injury," Duffy recalled being stopped on the street by a 70-year-old woman who saw her scarred arms and said, "'I used to do that.'"

Rodey said she stopped several months ago with the help of S.A.F.E. (Self-Abuse Finally Ends) Alternatives treatment program at a suburban Chicago hospital. Treatment includes behavior therapy and keeping a written log to track what triggers the behavior.

Rodey said she feels "healed" but not cured "because it's something I will struggle with the rest of my life. Whenever I get really stressed out, that's the first thing I think about."
#2 Jun 05 2006 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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All I have to say is WTF? I don't remember there being a ratio of 1 loser in every 5 people in highschool. Have things changed that much?


Did everyone in your highschool go to an ivy legue school and have the accompanying pressures?
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#3 Jun 05 2006 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't go to an Ivy League School, and I would say that ratio is lowballing it. People that are hurt emotionally sometimes look for the the ego boost of likeminded souls. Makes 'em feel like maybe they're okay. It's a natural urge, but I wouldn't say it made them "losers" so much as "bruised" and in need of decent coping strategies.

I tend to think of people who skipped class cause they were too stoned or drunk or who abused their girlfriends/boyfriends as 'losers'.
#4 Jun 05 2006 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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#5 Jun 05 2006 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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All I have to say is WTF? I don't remember there being a ratio of 1 loser in every 5 people in highschool. Have things changed that much?


Did everyone in your highschool go to an ivy legue school and have the accompanying pressures?
Nope, only a few people went to Ivy League schools. That's a commonality though, considering I went to a Canadian high school.

I'd deinately have to say, back in my time at high school, I'd only suspect about 5 people in a total school population of 500 would be the 'I cut myself' type. Even then, that would be on the tail end of my tenure. It seems the generations coming in after us were thinner skinned.
#6 Jun 05 2006 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
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All I have to say is WTF? I don't remember there being a ratio of 1 loser in every 5 people in highschool. Have things changed that much?


Did everyone in your highschool go to an ivy legue school and have the accompanying pressures?
Nope, only a few people went to Ivy League schools. That's a commonality though, considering I went to a Canadian high school.

I'd deinately have to say, back in my time at high school, I'd only suspect about 5 people in a total school population of 500 would be the 'I cut myself' type. Even then, that would be on the tail end of my tenure. It seems the generations coming in after us were thinner skinned.
Yeah but how many losers in your high school went to Ivy League schools? I think a study on high school students would have a lower outcome. I would think that students who go to Ivy League would be exposed to more stress from parents etc.
#7 Jun 05 2006 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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It seems the generations coming in after us were thinner skinned.
Makes it easier to cut yourself.
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#8 Jun 05 2006 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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All I have to say is WTF? I don't remember there being a ratio of 1 loser in every 5 people in highschool. Have things changed that much?
Maybe it's just Canadia, or possibly the 3 generation gap gramps. I seem to recall the ratio being closer to 4.5 losers in every 5 people. Being a hypocrite has some fantastic advantages.

I used to cut myself, pierce various body parts, and poke needles through my skin from time to time. In my defence I was usually skipping class hopped up on drugs. I'm still more successful than the majority of the people I went to school with and I don't even apply myself.

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Yeah but how many losers in your high school went to Ivy League schools? I think a study on high school students would have a lower outcome. I would think that students who go to Ivy League would be exposed to more stress from parents etc.
I don't know what kind of private schools you have where you live, but around here they are reserved for rich, spoiled brats and kids on student visas with rich parents from another country. Their biggest stress in life is waiting on their buddy to get back with the blow.
#9 Jun 05 2006 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe it's just Canadia, or possibly the 3 generation gap gramps
I agree, both of those are large factors. Back in my day, it wasn't cool to 'cut yourself'. The only people doing the cutting were the barbers.

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I don't know what kind of private schools you have where you live, but around here they are reserved for rich, spoiled brats and kids on student visas with rich parents from another country. Their biggest stress in life is waiting on their buddy to get back with the blow.
Same for our private schools, however it was different in College and University (I attended both). I still don't see how cutting one's self would help. I have seen violence, drugs, alcohol and food used for stress management outlets, but very few people were into self-mutilation.
#10 Jun 05 2006 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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I still don't see how cutting one's self would help. I have seen violence, drugs, alcohol and food used for stress management outlets, but very few people were into self-mutilation.

Actually, it's quite a primalistic urge. From most common accounts, the cutting relieves the internal buildup of psychological and emotional pressure through a physical outlet. Some people do sports and sweat it out, some people sing or play an instrument and get it out that way, and some people feel it crowding them inside their own bodies and decide to perform minor surgery of a sort to relieve the feeling.

It makes sense in its own pathological way.

Edit: Dr. Drew's take on the subject, which looks at it from another angle:
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There are multiple theories on why people cut and mutilate themselves. Basically, the biology of overwhelming emotions creates certain behaviors that are difficult to explain. This is one of those behaviors. The people who cut themselves describe feeling weighed down by unpleasant feelings and somehow get a certain relief or escape by doing the cutting. Some people feel the need to prove to themselves they are not "numb" of feelings. Oftentimes, this cutting is done while in what is called a "dissociative state"--as if the person is outside of his or her body.
Having dealt with many of these patients in the past, I do not see any consistent rational or meaningful expression in these behaviors other than a biological response to overwhelming feelings.


Edited, Mon Jun 5 13:39:04 2006 by Atomicflea
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I've always found that copious amounts of Rage Against the Machine played at the proper volume will cure any internal rage/suffering.
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I was talking about a similar subject with my neice this week, she has just gone to Uni (so 18 years old, 12 years my junior) and we came to the conclusion that it has alot to do with the shortening length of "Childhood".

In the new era of efficient childcare, eerything seems to be rushing towards the next goal and everything is so damn competitive that any sence of enjoyment is lost in the push to be bigger, better, faster, more.

Consequently a certain group of young adults/teenagers are completly clueless when it comes to enjoying or entertaining themselves.

My neice cannot remember more than a handful of occasions during her school life where she did something "Just for the fun of it", she did the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme because it would look good on her applications to univercity's for example and complained that it just took time away from her studying which left even less time for "Fun"

Is it any wonder some kids come out of that environment f*cked up?
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Nearly 1 in 5 students at two Ivy League schools say they have purposely injured themselves by cutting, burning or other methods, a disturbing phenomenon that psychologists say they are hearing about more often.


Didn't do Ivy Leage, but 1 in 5 is most assuredly an understatement. Not that I'm the most well-adjusted person in the world, but I cut on my arm a few times whilst depressed about a girl in College.

Was more that I wanted to feel something, even if it was pain.

I've since grown up. Now I just drink myself stupid and sit too close to the TV.
#16 Jun 05 2006 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
For me, just the thought of cutting myself makes me cringe. Mind you I also hate needles, have no tattoos, etc.

I'm more afraid of infection than the injury itself. That and when you get cut, it's sore and ugly looking for quite a while after.


Freaks.
#17 Jun 05 2006 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Every time I read something about this, I have to wonder: is it a new phenomenon? Is it a fad?

When I was in high school, and granted it's been a few years, but I never heard anything about this. It never occurred to me that people would do something like this. We changed in front of each other for gym every day. We knew when one girl's dad beat her with a belt. We knew who had their periods, and who only shaved up to the knees.

It would have been kinda hard to cover up recent cuts and scars. So I'm wondering if it just wasn't happening, or what?

(We did other stuff, of course, some of it dangerous and self destructive and some of it just stupid.)
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#18 Jun 05 2006 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
I still don't see how cutting one's self would help. I have seen violence, drugs, alcohol and food used for stress management outlets, but very few people were into self-mutilation.

Actually, it's quite a primalistic urge. From most common accounts, the cutting relieves the internal buildup of psychological and emotional pressure through a physical outlet. Some people do sports and sweat it out, some people sing or play an instrument and get it out that way, and some people feel it crowding them inside their own bodies and decide to perform minor surgery of a sort to relieve the feeling.

It makes sense in its own pathological way.



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#19 Jun 05 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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#20 Jun 05 2006 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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Every time I read something about this, I have to wonder: is it a new phenomenon? Is it a fad?

It does seem to be a relatively new behavior, or at least it's only come to light recently. Most studies I can find on it only date back to 1993.

There are so many points of view, psychologically speaking, that it's hard to see which one rings true for the majority, but it seems that it's not unlike an eating disorder, where either a strong sense of self-disgust or trauma causes an individual to want to take control of the only thing they can: their body and what they do to it.

This guy's name kept coming up. If you're interested, you might want to read his take on the subject. He lumps in ancient body modification rituals with this, so to him, I suppose, it's not new at all.

Oh, and I bet these were the girls that changed in the bathroom.
#21 Jun 05 2006 at 4:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and I bet these were the girls that changed in the bathroom.


Probably so, but not 20% of 'em.

Thanks for the ref, I'll read up on it.
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#22 Jun 05 2006 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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If I had to guess, FleaJo, I'd say it is relatively new behavior, at least in terms of its' mass usage by its' adherents. If there is a mindset that calls itself nonconformist but has a rigid pattern of behaviors that are deemed acceptable along with the attendant dress codes, then it stands to reason that cutting oneself as a way of identifying your allegiance to the emo lifestyle (there's a term that makes me shake my head in amusement) would be quite prevalent. It becomes a method by which these misguided youngsters identify each other-- not to be confused with identifying with each other. In essence, it becomes the equivilent of a gang tattoo or a jock's letterman jacket, but all the more desirable due to it's ability to shock those of us who eschue such self destructive behavior.

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We interrupt this programming for the following public service announcement.

Hey, emo girls! Don't cut - do it in the butt!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
#24 Jun 05 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Not at my college. Even the so called "Emo" kids rarely cut themselves, or they used to in High School and Middle School, but have grown out of it.

Kids are way too damn impressionable. Even college kids fall to social or media driven norms.
#26 Jun 05 2006 at 7:29 PM Rating: Default
I never really got this entire emo thing. If somebody wants 2 kill themselves, let them. The only time we should care is if they are hurting others or if the feeling is somehow contagious >.<. These guys hurt themselves for attention. Maybe they will stop if we dont give them that attention. It's like the gay thing i guess, let them do what they want and the world is happier.

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