rights vs. safety ...... are they really different?Follow

gbaji, I appreciate your post.

Drona wrote:


The only statements I made to show that our current administration is doing what was warned against in the quotes I gave is that I pointed out that they're using 9/11 to pass the patriot act. Although I do agree that most of my post neglected to connect our government with taking away our freedoms, I assumed that this was a fact that was understood and taken for granted.

The reason why I point out 9/11 specifically as an event that was used to take away our freedoms rather than any other attack that may happen to us is that it was used as a pretext to pass the patriot act.

As far as how *our* freedoms are being taken away by the patriot act (and other similar acts and provisions passed along with it) there's a lot of information on the subject if you research it. To start, there's a new catagory of terrorists called "Domestic Terrorists". Amoung other things, you can be labled a domestic terrorist by trying to influence the policy of the government by coercion as long as you've broken any law and have done something "dangerous to human life". You may say "well what does that mean?"

Here you can find declassified information about "eco-terrorists" including Greenpeace and PETA (people for the ethical treatment of animals).

Here you can find how declassified FBI documents have elevated survielance of the School of Americas Watch to the level of "counterterrorism". (school of americas watch is a sight dedicated to shutting down schools in the US that train potential foriegn leaders in terrorist type activities).

And since Greenpeace, PETA, SOA watch, and who knows what other groups are defined as "terrorists", you can probably be lumped together with them simply by donating money to these orginizations under the Financial Anti-Terrorism Act.

I don't see how JFK could have been reffering to anything else when he said:

"The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight."


Edited, Jun 7th 2006 at 3:02pm EST by Dronadesh

The only reason it will keep going in circles is because your line of reasoning falls apart under any serious scrutiny and you are too ignorant as **** to realize it.

FTFY

Some one please quote me with the tag please.

I think that the very fact that the government is using 9/11 to take away our civil liberties makes them suspect in 9/11.

And hell, even if bush and the gang had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, that doesn't make what they're doing to us as US citezens right (or *especially* us as global citizens... we're raping the rights of people in other countries by detaining and torturing people without giving them any type of trial whatsoever... just to touch the surface).

I bring up the quotes of Jefferson, Franklin, and Lincoln to show that they knew the government could and probably would use this safety vs freedom bullsh*t to transgress the constitution (the cornerstone of our country that was laid to hold back tyrants from taking us over and turning our country into a totalitarian police state)

With all the crap that Clinton did in his signing statements, bypassing congress, in order to give full and absolute power to FEMA (the federal government) in times of emergency, and with all the crap that Bush has done with the "terrorism" bullsh*t via the patriot act and everything... we're in a *very* dangerous position. All the president has to do is declare a state of emergency (which he can do for any reason that he wants) then we're up sh*t creek, our rights are out the window. This concerns me much more than whether or not 9/11 was an inside job.

I guess that's why they don't allow circumstantial evidence in a court of law.