Couldn;t the people involved in this be eligable for temporary insanity?
After all.. they have been like... killing people for quite some time.... which I can't imagine to be good for the mental health of anyone.
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No, you need to show sufficent outrage for Monx to decide you're not a hypocrite.
Wrong. Consistent outrage. When newspaper healines blare "Massacre" regarding this incident but don't similarly echo the same degree and tone of outrage when marines are killed by terrorists or innocent Iraqi civilians are killed by terrorists, the hypocricy stinks oceans away. As I said, it just shows the current faux outrage and true underlying glee and hope that an incident like this would occur so punks could jump on it for political purposes.
Did you make a thread like this for any of the many bombings which murdered innocent Iraqis or American soldiers daily, weekly for the past few years? Didn't think so you "My-Lai" invoking hypocritcal punk intent on wholesale smearing of the names and efforts of good people making sacrifices for a better future for others you spit upon. Where was your outrage then? Oh you grudgingly save it for big events like London, Madrid, New York? What about all the 10 dead, 20 dead, 40 dead, multiple injured incidents occuring on Iraqi soil all the time? Thos aren't "My-Lai Massacres"? Why bring "My-Lai" up at all unless what I said earlier was true? Because your underlying overriding intention is to wholesale smear the US military. Doth tell why one qualifies for "My-Lai" analogies and the numerous others do not.
Edited, Fri Jun 2 11:22:30 2006 by MonxDoT
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Did you make a thread like this for any of the many bombings which murdered innocent Iraqis or American soldiers daily, weekly for the past few years?
We are the good guys. We already know that the bad guys are douches.
MonxDoT wrote:
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No, you need to show sufficent outrage for Monx to decide you're not a hypocrite.
Wrong. Consistent outrage. When newspaper healines blare "Massacre" regarding this incident but don't similarly echo the same degree and tone of outrage when marines are killed by terrorists or innocent Iraqi civilians are killed by terrorists, the hypocricy stinks oceans away. As I said, it just shows the current faux outrage and true underlying glee and hope that an incident like this would occur so punks could jump on it for political purposes.
Did you make a thread like this for any of the many bombings which murdered innocent Iraqis or American soldiers daily, weekly for the past few years? Didn't think so you "My-Lai" invoking hypocritcal punk intent on wholesale smearing of the names and efforts of good people making sacrifices for a better future for others you spit upon. Where was your outrage then? Oh you grudgingly save it for big events like London, Madrid, New York? What about all the 10 dead, 20 dead, 40 dead, multiple injured incidents occuring on Iraqi soil all the time? Thos aren't "My-Lai Massacres"? Why bring "My-Lai" up at all unless what I said earlier was true? Because your underlying overriding intention is to wholesale smear the US military. Doth tell why one qualifies for "My-Lai" analogies and the numerous others do not.
Edited, Fri Jun 2 11:22:30 2006 by MonxDoT
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Because we aren't part of a society, we have no values because we allow murder, rape etc. Why should we be outraged if nothing matters?
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*edit* grammar ftw
Edited, Fri Jun 2 11:38:26 2006 by Althrun
MonxDoT wrote:
Why bring "My-Lai" up at all unless what I said earlier was true? Because your underlying overriding intention is to wholesale smear the US military. Doth tell why one qualifies for "My-Lai" analogies and the numerous others do not.
Erm, because all the indications from the pentagon are that the allegations are likely to be proven?
if so. . . US troops take out revenge, not on the terrorists who took the lives of foreign soliders in their own country, but on innocent women and children. Ring any bells?
Tell me when I've ever defended attacks on civilians?
The only person I hear justifying murder is you, fu[Aqua][/Aqua]cktard.
Learning to read would be a start.
Then maybe reading what I wrote, not what you think I might have written..
You really are extremely stupid aren't you!
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
like the prison tirture scandle,
in the origonal my lai incident, only a hand full of the 100 or so people involved in teh killings ever saw the inside of a court room, and only ONE person was ever convicted of a crime. a first level officer. the scape goat to appease the masses for theri demand of a pound of flesh.
many many many years later, after the freedom of information act, documentation was found that showed top military officials ORDERED the shooting of civilains because, like Iraq, they couldnt tell the good guys from the bad guys.
those soldiers were ordered to kill the 400 civilians, men women and children.
just like the soldiers who invaded Falluja were ordered to kill every one in that city. not a single prisoner was taken. men, women, and children. eveyr one in the city was killed in a door to door search and destroy mission.
24 civillians were killed. and becasue you saw it on national media, an uproar. 30 to 40,000 civilians were butchered in Falluja, adn not a peep.
welcome to american censorship. this mess is hitting the courts because an Iraqi news person leaked it to the AP, who then plastered it all over the world, and finally ended up in an american media publication.
war is hell. we kill more innocent people than bad guys in war. has always been that way, will always be that way. it SHOULD be an absolute last resort to amy one with any morals. and yet, Iraq was not a last resort.
welcome to the moral majority.
in the origonal my lai incident, only a hand full of the 100 or so people involved in teh killings ever saw the inside of a court room, and only ONE person was ever convicted of a crime. a first level officer. the scape goat to appease the masses for theri demand of a pound of flesh.
many many many years later, after the freedom of information act, documentation was found that showed top military officials ORDERED the shooting of civilains because, like Iraq, they couldnt tell the good guys from the bad guys.
those soldiers were ordered to kill the 400 civilians, men women and children.
just like the soldiers who invaded Falluja were ordered to kill every one in that city. not a single prisoner was taken. men, women, and children. eveyr one in the city was killed in a door to door search and destroy mission.
24 civillians were killed. and becasue you saw it on national media, an uproar. 30 to 40,000 civilians were butchered in Falluja, adn not a peep.
welcome to american censorship. this mess is hitting the courts because an Iraqi news person leaked it to the AP, who then plastered it all over the world, and finally ended up in an american media publication.
war is hell. we kill more innocent people than bad guys in war. has always been that way, will always be that way. it SHOULD be an absolute last resort to amy one with any morals. and yet, Iraq was not a last resort.
welcome to the moral majority.
Queen bodhisattva wrote:
Tell me about it.
I'm tempted to quit. We are extremely short staffed right now, so it would have that extra sting to management which is having a hard time replacing the people that left, I just don't want to do it this weekend because the few people left will be swamped.
I'm tempted to quit. We are extremely short staffed right now, so it would have that extra sting to management which is having a hard time replacing the people that left, I just don't want to do it this weekend because the few people left will be swamped.
I've had two people give notice in just as many weeks, one in a ******* agent orange cloud of drama that makes me hope she is headed for a career on the stage, and the other in a whimpering sort of way that makes me sad and impotent that the conditions aren't right for me to keep her.
Also, I was trying to get a promotion for a hard worker that responded to my efforts by trying to scam extra half hours out of payroll, and calling in sick the last three days over a toothache. He'll probably quit once he finds out he didn't get the promotion. Oy.
My boss is feeling SO chummy with me that she's resorted to openly cursing some of my employees out in front of me, and when I told her about one of them quitting, she actually did a dance, cheered, and congratulated me for 'cleaning house'. She now wants me to pressure the guy who called in sick to quit, because she doesn't like him.
The only bright spot is that the commute has been unnecessairly light this week. Bless all those folks likely still on vacation.
Oh, and on topic, not even Rummy is using 9/11 on this one.
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Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Friday defended the training and conduct of U.S. troops and said incidents like an alleged massacre of Iraqi civilians shouldn't happen. "We know that 99.9 percent of our forces conduct themselves in an exemplary manner. We also know that in conflicts things that shouldn't happen, do happen," he said.
While he said he can't comment on the investigation because it could taint the case, he said, "We don't expect U.S. soldiers to act that way, and they're trained not to."
While he said he can't comment on the investigation because it could taint the case, he said, "We don't expect U.S. soldiers to act that way, and they're trained not to."
Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
Good lord you're a fu[Darkmagenta][/Darkmagenta]cking ******. It's quite simple really.
We are the good guys. We already know that the bad guys are douches.
We are the good guys. We already know that the bad guys are douches.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
No, I already clearly said if murder occured, those responsible should and would be prosecuted. I'm not the one trying to make Iraq Vietnam in the public perception, hoping it's Vietnam, rooting for the communists and purveyors of barbaric brutality. You're clearly setting up NameEvents (Abu-Ghraib, My-Lai) to make wholesale castigations on the American military effort. You wrote
Yeah, rings the daily death toll of those murdered by terrorist bombs with much more frequency and intent at indiscriminate murder than occurs by US military personnel. All you broadcast then is <silence>. That's precisely why you are a hypocrite. "Their" country? The U.S. is currently there with the blessing of the legitimate Iraqi government who wants a peaceful prosperous society, not one of zealous murdering dictators and their minions. You've been saving up your outrage, hoping with anticipatory glee to unleash your indignation soley upon the American military, all the while ignoring the daily bombing atrocities which have killed far more innocents. Hence the reason your outrage is faux.
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become another My-Lai
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if so. . . US troops take out revenge, not on the terrorists who took the lives of foreign soliders in their own country, but on innocent women and children. Ring any bells?
Yeah, rings the daily death toll of those murdered by terrorist bombs with much more frequency and intent at indiscriminate murder than occurs by US military personnel. All you broadcast then is <silence>. That's precisely why you are a hypocrite. "Their" country? The U.S. is currently there with the blessing of the legitimate Iraqi government who wants a peaceful prosperous society, not one of zealous murdering dictators and their minions. You've been saving up your outrage, hoping with anticipatory glee to unleash your indignation soley upon the American military, all the while ignoring the daily bombing atrocities which have killed far more innocents. Hence the reason your outrage is faux.
MonxDoT wrote:
Yeah, rings the daily death toll of those murdered by terrorist bombs with much more frequency and intent at indiscriminate murder than occurs by US military personnel. All you broadcast then is <silence>. That's precisely why you are a hypocrite.
You, Sir, are funny. But not in the ha-ha way.My-Lai heee!
My-Lai who!
My-Lai haa!
My-Lai haa haa!
My-Lai who!
My-Lai haa!
My-Lai haa haa!
Elderon the Wise wrote:
My-Lai heee!
My-Lai who!
My-Lai haa!
My-Lai haa haa!
My-Lai who!
My-Lai haa!
My-Lai haa haa!
fat *******
Who the fu[Aqua][/Aqua]ck is 'hoping' for such a portrayal?
Oh and +1 Elderon
Oh and +1 Elderon
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
No, I already clearly said if murder occured, those responsible should and would be prosecuted. I'm not the one trying to make Iraq Vietnam in the public perception, hoping it's Vietnam, rooting for the communists and purveyors of barbaric brutality.
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who do you prosecute?
the 19 year old kid who was handed a weapon, then tossed into a coutry where every one smiles in your face, and would kill you when your back is turned?
or the people who sent them there?
IF it was a crime, if a crime could exist during a time of war, do you punnish the tool? or the hand that weilds it?
it is war. everyone is your enemy untill proven otherwise. any other mindset gets you a body bag. BANG, a bomb rocks your vehicle. gun fire. a chase that leads to a couple houses. if they didnt do the shooting they sure as hell know who did almost kill you and your buddies. rage, adrenilin, hot tempers, ragged fear...you sqeeze the trigger till your not afraid anymore.
did you think about what you did? did you ponder on the ramifications? no, the only thing in your head was "im not gona die here, now, and im gona make sure of that". whats a few years in prison compared to a body bag?
were not talking about seasoned veteran officers. were talking about kids. kids we handed a gun and sent them somewhere to kill or be killed so we dont have to.
who do you punnish?
our attitude on this mattter is horrific. honor? integrity? professionaism? those are for seasoned officers and carreer politicians. all a 19 year old kid thinks about is living to see home again.
if america wants a pound of flesh, it needs to come from the people who SENT them there, not the kids on the firing line. the same with the prison abuse scandle.
and if you dont want to take THEIR flesh, then shut the hell up, its war. kill or be killed. and if you cant identify the enemy, you kill them all or go home in a body bag.
if that doesnt sit well with you, then.......dont go to war.
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who do you prosecute?
the 19 year old kid who was handed a weapon, then tossed into a coutry where every one smiles in your face, and would kill you when your back is turned?
or the people who sent them there?
IF it was a crime, if a crime could exist during a time of war, do you punnish the tool? or the hand that weilds it?
it is war. everyone is your enemy untill proven otherwise. any other mindset gets you a body bag. BANG, a bomb rocks your vehicle. gun fire. a chase that leads to a couple houses. if they didnt do the shooting they sure as hell know who did almost kill you and your buddies. rage, adrenilin, hot tempers, ragged fear...you sqeeze the trigger till your not afraid anymore.
did you think about what you did? did you ponder on the ramifications? no, the only thing in your head was "im not gona die here, now, and im gona make sure of that". whats a few years in prison compared to a body bag?
were not talking about seasoned veteran officers. were talking about kids. kids we handed a gun and sent them somewhere to kill or be killed so we dont have to.
who do you punnish?
our attitude on this mattter is horrific. honor? integrity? professionaism? those are for seasoned officers and carreer politicians. all a 19 year old kid thinks about is living to see home again.
if america wants a pound of flesh, it needs to come from the people who SENT them there, not the kids on the firing line. the same with the prison abuse scandle.
and if you dont want to take THEIR flesh, then shut the hell up, its war. kill or be killed. and if you cant identify the enemy, you kill them all or go home in a body bag.
if that doesnt sit well with you, then.......dont go to war.
im sure that 6 month old had a knife stashed in his diaper, wating for one of those ,marines to turn his back....then pow!
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
I would pay extra tax dollars into a study that would investigate why Marines are such ********.
I concurr. What we really need is a bunch of soldiers trained to kill people *while practicing really good manners*.
I wasn't talking specifically about the killings, although I will address that later. What I meant by my original post was that I have never met a Marine who wasn't a total fu[/Blanchedalmond]ckhead with an overinflated sense of ego and importance in the overall scheme of things, and I lived and went to school/work with a bunch of them. I'm not talking about training, although I agree with Katie that some amount of circlejerking and head-inflating probably serves them well in the situations in which they're expected to be placed. Unless you can show me how ordering lunch at Applebee's or picking up suits from the dry cleaners places them in enough mental stress to snap and turn into di[Coral]ckwads, that is.
Well, as to never meeting a Marine that wasn't a fu[Aqua][/Aqua]ckhead, I'm a little suprised at that. I was in the Air force and spent a couple months at 29 Palms, CA doing training. My cousin, who was a Marine, was stationed there and I got to hang out with him and meet a lot of the guys he worked with. While I'll admit I've run into some Marines that were jackasses, I'd have to say the majority that I have met in my time were pretty good guys. But then maybe I got treated better since one of their own was introducing me.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
I've had two people give notice in just as many weeks, one in a ******* agent orange cloud of drama that makes me hope she is headed for a career on the stage, and the other in a whimpering sort of way that makes me sad and impotent that the conditions aren't right for me to keep her.
Also, I was trying to get a promotion for a hard worker that responded to my efforts by trying to scam extra half hours out of payroll, and calling in sick the last three days over a toothache. He'll probably quit once he finds out he didn't get the promotion. Oy.
My boss is feeling SO chummy with me that she's resorted to openly cursing some of my employees out in front of me, and when I told her about one of them quitting, she actually did a dance, cheered, and congratulated me for 'cleaning house'. She now wants me to pressure the guy who called in sick to quit, because she doesn't like him.
The only bright spot is that the commute has been unnecessairly light this week. Bless all those folks likely still on vacation.
I just started this job about two months ago. I don't take breaks, I work extra hours, pick up all the time I can and pretty much hump it in order to make a good impression. Despite this, I have consistently been **** on for mistakes I haven't made. I've even had to point out to the boss after she has rambled for 5 minutes about an issue that I wasnt even in on that day in question so it was physically impossible for it to be my fault.
So I had pretty much made up my mind to leave. The last week or two I've been window shopping for a new job.
I found out tonight that yet another person put in their two weeks notice today. The boss also started treating me like I was the best employee ever and implied that I would be moving on up. Unfortunately it only came off as "If I lose one more employee we arent going to meet hours/shifts even if the remaining employees work 7 day weeks, so I better start tonguing holes to keep the ones I have".
Obviously not the greatest place, even for a rebound job. I believe I will give my notice on Monday.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
You should go to her superior and tell them that you're available for her job once they fire her. 
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What about all the 10 dead, 20 dead, 40 dead, multiple injured incidents occuring on Iraqi soil all the time?
I'm pretty sure that every time it involves herding women and children into a house and gunning them down, the word "massacre" is appropriate. If it's an ambush, it's an ambush. Different event, different word. See how that works?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
The buck stops with her.
Not that I care enough to take any farther.
Not that I care enough to take any farther.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Flea
I missed the "/Hijack" marker and I'm confused.
Can I just check. Is it you or Bhodi's 6 motnth old Boss that killed all those Marines in that . .
No. Wait. .
Nurse! Nurse!
I missed the "/Hijack" marker and I'm confused.
Can I just check. Is it you or Bhodi's 6 motnth old Boss that killed all those Marines in that . .
No. Wait. .
Nurse! Nurse!
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Why do you support terrorists?
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
I'd have to say the majority that I have met in my time were pretty good guys
Don't be neaive, they just wanted to **** you.
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