Jophiel wrote:
Nobby wrote:
ours covers 100% of costs for all UK subjects
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Oh, sure... if you want to be called a "subject"!
God save the Queen! Pip, pip cheerio and all that!
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They are better paid than most other places in the world. The purchasing power of a single organisation that provides healthcare to 60M people and employs 2M is the difference.
Our system costs less than 70% per capita than the US system, ours covers 100% of costs for all UK subjects (and emergency care to tourists).
For Christ's sake there are millions of US citizens with no healthcare cover. What a disgrace!
Our system costs less than 70% per capita than the US system, ours covers 100% of costs for all UK subjects (and emergency care to tourists).
For Christ's sake there are millions of US citizens with no healthcare cover. What a disgrace!
Oh so you're proud that you use violence. Why didn't you say so? If we want something we can just take it by using violence...
So who gets to go to the best doctors? I'm sure your politicians don't go the ********* doctors, nooooo. Oh your best doctors can treat the Queen and dirt poor Joe Schmoe at the exact same time! Magic!
So you prevent people who have the means from voluntarily being able to pay someone to treat them with the best care? Guess that would be a jailable criminal offense right of someone tried to pay for healthcare?
So who decides how much everyone in the system should be paid? You're leaders are blindly guessing and burying the process in the overall budget, same way the U.S.S.R. did.
Patients don't vote with their dollars. So does anyone ever get fired, or just in the rarest of circumstances? Guess you got to accept those **** ups by "professionals" with guaranteed jobs.
You and the rest of the European countries are going bankrupt with your social welfare policies. Hell the mirage lasted a long time in the U.S.S.R. too. Gee if it works in health care maybe you can get guaranteed jobs just like the French, and sit around and do nothing all day. Yeah, that'll work.
People will always get sick, be dying, and be willing to spend whatever they can to stay alive. So you cap costs at 70% of some b.s. number by using violence to RATION, pure and simple, and then pretend that the care is "quality".
Sorry but if consumers are not directly spending their money and medical providers are not directly competing amongst each other to get that money, the result will in absolutely every case be lower quality at higher price. Keep on tucking that RATIONING under the rug there ...
Monxdot.
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You're tiresome, I'll give you that much. It's like you mainlined Ayn Rand about five years before you were capable of thinking critically.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
So you prevent people who have the means from voluntarily being able to pay someone to treat them with the best care?
Really done a lot of study on the UK Healthcare system, eh?
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So you prevent people who have the means from voluntarily being able to pay someone to treat them with the best care?
Really done a lot of study on the UK Healthcare system, eh?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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Sorry but if consumers are not directly spending their money and medical providers are not directly competing amongst each other to get that money
By, you know, stealing each others R&D money...
And Sami? You remember, Atlas Shrugged, Rearden Metal, the whole sign over to the public bruhaha. Can't be Rand, must be someone else he's misinterpreting.
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Monxdot.
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Gee, I didn't hear that for 1.5 years on the main board with my simple irrefutably honed, sharpened and proved point that RMT by definition causes in game inflation. I heard all the best arguments against it, and smashed them again and again, with simple economics. I won that crusade, and people are far less naive and gullible to believe RMT is good for mmorpgs or that gil sellers make these games better. And that scientific precision is archived on these boards.
This discussion is just a different variant of that argument. The process is the process. I can always sharpen my argument, make it more presentable and easily understood.
But pretend like I went off topic or something to make yourself feel better about not having the ability to distort irrefutable economic laws of truth.
MonxDoT wrote:
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Monxdot.
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Gee, I didn't hear that for 1.5 years on the main board with my simple irrefutably honed, sharpened and proved point that RMT by definition causes in game inflation. I heard all the best arguments against it, and smashed them again and again, with simple economics. I won that crusade, and people are far less naive and gullible to believe RMT is good for mmorpgs or that gil sellers make these games better. And that scientific precision is archived on these boards.
This discussion is just a different variant of that argument. The process is the process. I can always sharpen my argument, make it more presentable and easily understood.
But pretend like I went off topic or something to make yourself feel better about not having the ability to distort irrefutable economic laws of truth.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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By, you know, stealing each others R&D money...
Oh why don't you send your royalties to the inventors of the english language then. All discveries are simple extensions of basic scientific knowledge. You can only prevent others from using ideas to shape their property by using violence. You steal nothing from another by building a wheel or thinking anything. They still have their own exact recipes. Recipes aren't scarce.
MonxDoT wrote:
Gee, I didn't hear that for 1.5 years on the main board with my simple irrefutably honed, sharpened and proved point that RMT by definition causes in game inflation. I heard all the best arguments against it, and smashed them again and again, with simple economics.
I don't know or care to know your finely honed arguments against RMT. I'm just basing this off your arguments for education, health care and the Constitution.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
That's fine Joph, and you've also ignored the irrefutable points I made regarding violence. Guess if you coulda refuted the actions you endorse are violent non voluntary forcing of others you woulda by now ... Admitting you're a hoodlum thug is the first step. Hiding behind politics doesn't change that in Columbia or in the good ole U S of A. Action is action no matter where when or how it occurs. Any Rand lol. There's your hint: "Action". Let's see who gets it first.
MonxDoT wrote:
That's fine Joph, and you've also ignored the irrefutable points I made regarding violence. Guess if you coulda refuted the actions you endorse are violent non voluntary forcing of others you woulda by now
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
That's fine Joph, and you've also ignored the irrefutable points I made regarding violence.
Perhaps because they had nothing to do with anyelse you said, all of which by the way made about as much sense as someone arguing in favor of capital punishment because the Capitol is a tall guilding.
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MonxDoT wrote:
That's fine Joph, and you've also ignored the irrefutable points I made regarding violence. Guess if you coulda refuted the actions you endorse are violent non voluntary forcing of others you woulda by now ... Admitting you're a hoodlum thug is the first step. Hiding behind politics doesn't change that in Columbia or in the good ole U S of A. Action is action no matter where when or how it occurs. Any Rand lol. There's your hint: "Action". Let's see who gets it first.
What an ignorant sh[Azure][/Azure]it you are.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Perhaps because they had nothing to do with anyelse you said
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
MonxDoT wrote:
Oh why don't you send your royalties to the inventors of the english language then. All discveries are simple extensions of basic scientific knowledge. You can only prevent others from using ideas to shape their property by using violence. You steal nothing from another by building a wheel or thinking anything. They still have their own exact recipes. Recipes aren't scarce.
Because patents are granted for a specific amount of time and, even if there were a specific inventor of the English Language, the patent would have long run out.
Yes, discoveries are an extension of basic scientific knowledge. But someone still had to invest time and money into coming up with the discovery. And patents typically don't refer as much to useage (if you reverse eng something and make it for yourself people probably aren't to go after you. If you sell it, you will be)...
aw man i was going to go on but this is like replying to gbaji's fetal alcohol syndrome-tainted sibling. All I'm going to get in return is a monolithic stream of self-aggrandizing gibberish.
Jophiel wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
Perhaps because they had nothing to do with anyelse you said
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
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You keep on thinking that
And you keep on pretending the fairy or something enforces your socialist policies.
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Because patents are granted for a specific amount of time and, even if there were a specific inventor of the English Language, the patent would have long run out.
Who grants you the right to prevent me from selling AIDS drugs to Africans at cost?
A specific amount of time? Doesn't that sound totally arbitrary to you? Doesn't it just scream nobody owns any recipes whatsoever except by possession of the knowledge of the recipe?
Who woulda figure people who believe in free health care don't believe in free ideas, in things which are intangible, limitless, and absolutely non scarce. Talk about getting it *** backwards.
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Who grants you the right to prevent me from selling AIDS drugs to Africans at cost?
As long as you spend the millions of R&D dollars it takes to develop said drugs, go for it.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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Who grants you the right to prevent me from selling AIDS drugs to Africans at cost?
You're more than welcome to sell AIDS drugs to the Africans at cost - the price you paid to the person you tried to steal the method for making a workable drug from.
Course then it can sit and rot because those drugs can't be distributed. Not because of patent laws but the african politics
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A specific amount of time? Doesn't that sound totally arbitrary to you? Doesn't it just scream nobody owns any recipes whatsoever except by possession of the knowledge of the recipe?
Nope, what it screams is reason. To grant a permanentn patent would suggest that no one would EVER have come up with the idea you did. To grant it for a specific amount of time is to acknowledge that at some point, someone else may have come up with the idea and therefore shouldbe able to profit from their ideas as well.
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Who woulda figure people who believe in free health care don't believe in free ideas, in things which are intangible, limitless, and absolutely non scarce. Talk about getting it *** backwards.
You don't believe in free health care? It's a ghost, a myth? Kaiser Soze?
I'm, not a big fan of nationalized health care, btw. I know it's a lot to expect you to keep the posters here straight when you can't even corral your own thoughts.
Who woulda figure people who believe in free health care don't believe in free ideas, in things which are intangible, limitless, and absolutely non scarce. Talk about getting it *** backwards.
No kidding. Thinking Socialism isn't about free ideas? Crazy.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
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As long as you spend the millions of R&D dollars it takes to develop said drugs, go for it.
Even if I did spend millions on R&D someone else could also spend millions on the same R&D and file their patent the day before I finished my R&D.
Never woulda expected people on a board like this being ok with companies like Microsoft patenting things which have been in the common domain. It truly shocks me at the resistence lefties put up towards abolishment of patent and copyright. You'd think something like this could be a bridge to massive common ground that would have enormous real world effects toward reducing poverty and bringing about much more equal standing. Regardless, I'll press on and bring about a constitutional amendement banning all patent and copyright protection. Yeah, that's right all ideas are in the common domain, unlike tangible person and property. If you don't want an idea to be in the common domain then don't think it, don't say it, don't sell it. You have the right to STFU, not the right to STFU others. Guess it's that "violence" thing again ....
Patents are no different than whining "copycat" and swinging a bat to get suckers to submit.
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