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#27 Jun 01 2006 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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Technically he paid tuition to listen to the teacher lecture on a subject so that he might learn. Kind of how the post secondary education thing works unless he is doing a field class or type of work to attain credit.
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#28 Jun 01 2006 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I signed up for an English composition class, not a political science lecture.
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#29 Jun 01 2006 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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#30 Jun 01 2006 at 10:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, our first assignment is to summarize an article written in '04 about the torture at Abu Ghraib. That's what started the discussion down the slippery slope. I'll probably play the devil's advocate just to see what kind of grade the prof gives me.

I'm contrary like that.
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#31 Jun 01 2006 at 10:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, our first assignment is to summarize an article written in '04 about the torture at Abu Ghraib.
That's not such a bad assignment. Be interesting to see how well the students can summarize an article about a charged topic without going off on a tangent.
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#32 Jun 01 2006 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Be interesting to see how well the students can summarize an article about a charged topic without going off on a tangent.

Well, the prof didn't do to well, hence this thread.
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#33 Jun 01 2006 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
Well, our first assignment is to summarize an article written in '04 about the torture at Abu Ghraib.

These situations are fun. Write a grammatical, concise, and well-constructed essay about how Lynndie England was a patriot and a hero. Make the prof give you an A for it.
#34 Jun 01 2006 at 10:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Our main thesis is supposed to be how high up on the chain of command the responsibility falls for the torture. I'll likely argue that the buck stops with the individual soldiers, even though I might not completely agree with that.
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#35 Jun 01 2006 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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These situations are fun. Write a grammatical, concise, and well-constructed essay about how Lynndie England was a patriot and a hero. Make the prof give you an A for it.
And, if she doesn't, peddle your paper around to talk radio, The National Review and FOX News.
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#36 Jun 01 2006 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Jawbox wrote:
These situations are fun. Write a grammatical, concise, and well-constructed essay about how Lynndie England was a patriot and a hero. Make the prof give you an A for it.
And, if she doesn't, peddle your paper around to talk radio, The National Review and FOX News.

Smiley: lol That's the job of the parents.

#37 Jun 01 2006 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
I'm contrary like that.

Reactionary!
#38REDACTED, Posted: Jun 01 2006 at 3:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Bhodi,
#39REDACTED, Posted: Jun 01 2006 at 3:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I also love how no one even challenges the truth of the OP. They just accept it because they more than likely it's true.
#40 Jun 01 2006 at 3:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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I also love how no one even challenges the truth of the OP.
Challenge it how? Go to Twiz's class and sit in and see if the instructor does anything liberal? Smiley: dubious
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#41 Jun 01 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Default
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Challenge it how? Go to Twiz's class and sit in and see if the instructor does anything liberal?


Put a King James Bible, The O'Reilly Factor For Kids book, and a framed photo of Oliver North on her desk, and look for common frothing signs you might see similar to:

A.) Vampires in movies seething at a Cross
B.) Syntax Error Malfunctions followed by a count down to self-destruction
C.) Hoodlumesque descecration demonstrations such as the above hitting the trash can in a manner aimed at drawing attention to that action

Gentlemen, start your flame throwers.

Edited, Thu Jun 1 16:53:42 2006 by MonxDoT
#42 Jun 01 2006 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I had a liberal, female, pakistani teacher for my english 101 class in fall of '04. Every article we read had something to do with the Middle East, or something related to women's rights.

Getting into arguments with her was AWESOME. I suggest you question everything your tree-hugging teacher says...outloud. You'll have a blast!
#43 Jun 01 2006 at 4:36 PM Rating: Default
Freshman level English, my first day, and already my prof is pushing her leftist hippy liberal ideals upon me.

Academic liberal bias!
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it might supprise you that most learning institutions are liberaly biased.

has something to do with being...educated.

but you dont have to be. you could go to some nice catholic college where them darn ****** dont show themselves...untill after they get confirmed anyway.....

most social uprisings in this country have strong roots in our upper education system. like blacks being allowed to go to white schools, college kids turning traitior by condeming our policy in vietnam and burning their draft cards........

its funny. educate someone and they become more liberal. dont educate them adn they become "c" average draft dodgers out to save the world from hippy liberals and terrorist camping on large oil supplies.
#44 Jun 01 2006 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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shadowrelm wrote:

it might supprise you that most learning institutions are liberaly biased.

has something to do with being...educated.


lawls?
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#45 Jun 01 2006 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
Our main thesis is supposed to be how high up on the chain of command the responsibility falls for the torture. I'll likely argue that the buck stops with the individual soldiers, even though I might not completely agree with that.


Take it as an opportunity to debate some of the assumptions in the assignment. First off the definition of the events in Abu Grhaib are torture in the first place.

Heck. Point out the circular nature of the entire issue. After all, in order for the events to meet the definition of torture, the actions had to be sanctioned by the chain of commmand. So, somewhat by definition, if it was torture it went down the chain of command. If it wasn't, then it didn't. The key point is to determine if those soldiers were acting on specific orders or not. If not, then while the chain does hold some responsiblity (in exactly the way every chain of command is responsible for the actions of its soldiers), the actions themselves are more correctly labeled as "abuse" and not torture.

Point out that the general in charge of the prison was demoted as punishment for that responsibility (a career ending action).

Point out the number of soldiers who've been charged with crimes (in the 20s I believe). Perhaps do some research as to exactly what they were charged with. I think it might be useful to present some facts into the conjecture that I'm betting this professor is expecting.

Dunno. I don't see this as particularly bad. It's only bad if everyone just parrots one opinion. Be the voice of opposition. Make everyone else question their assumptions. I'd personally rather we have education institutions that discuss such things (biased or not), then one's that refused to address any controversial topic.
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#46 Jun 01 2006 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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Demea the Irrelevant wrote:
Our main thesis is supposed to be how high up on the chain of command the responsibility falls for the torture. I'll likely argue that the buck stops with the individual soldiers, even though I might not completely agree with that.


Take it as an opportunity to debate some of the assumptions in the assignment. First off the definition of the events in Abu Grhaib are torture in the first place.




Dear Professor Liberal Chick in my thesis I will try to prove that pissing on a man and then sodomizing him with a broomstick isnt actually torture!


Best opening statement evar! How can he not get an "A'?
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#47 Jun 01 2006 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Dear Professor Liberal Chick in my thesis I will try to prove that pissing on a man and then sodomizing him with a broomstick isnt actually torture!

Best opening statement evar! How can he not get an "A'?


Of course it is. Because the UN convention on torture defines torture as:

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For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.



There are three tests for something to be legally called "torture:

1. There must be severe mental or physical pain or suffering.

2. It must have been inflicted on the subject for the purpose of obtaining information from that subject, punishment for an act he commited (or was involved in), or coercing/intimidating the subject or another person.

3. It must have been sanctioned by someone operating in an official capacity (ie: someone "in charge").


The illegal activities that occured at Abu Grhaib meet the first criteria. Some of them meet the second. But *none* of them meet the third. There is no evidence that any officer in charge of setting interrogation standards or prisoner treatment standards ordered those soldiers to perform those abuses on those prisoners. None. Zip. Zero. Nada.

It's trivially easy to make a case that these prisoners were abused, not tortured. Seems like a minor semantic difference, but it's incredibly relevant legally. And since the assignment about establishing how high up the blame for torture should go, it seems incredibly relevant to make that argument.

Edited, Thu Jun 1 20:09:56 2006 by gbaji
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#48 Jun 01 2006 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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Dewd I was arguing your case!

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#49 Jun 01 2006 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Dewd I was arguing your case!


I know! I was just providing you with more/betterer ammunition to use. ;)
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#50 Jun 01 2006 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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Sometimes you get me so angry that I want to Not-Torture you until the broom breaks off in your ***.

Smiley: wink2
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#51 Jun 02 2006 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Unless it's a retiree teaching in their spare time, I'd think that 99% of teachers out there are a bunch of pinko tree-huggers. Who else would take such a sh*tty, low paying job by choice?


Yeah, those stupid f*king liberals, always taking jobs trying to make a difference and empart knowledge and benefit the human race rather than just trying to make money to buy useless crap. THEY'RE SO STUPID!!!

Seriously, though, if he only taught you stuff you already know, why even bother (besides to get a piece of paper)? Anything good a teacher can teach you is going to make you question your beliefs, and will probably seem "liberal".

Also, English teachers are notoriously liberal, because serious writing has always been about being revolutionary, whether it be political or just in how we see the world.

Also, just in general, the more educated you get (outside of business and the sciences, I'm talking about history and cultural awareness), the more you realise that the status quo of American Culture is very retarded, and you end up with views that appear "liberal".

All this being said, I'm totally positive that the teacher doesn't want you to give up your own beliefs just to get a good grade. If you write a convincing paper that challanges HIS beliefs, I guarantee he will be more impressed than if you tried to suck up to him.

Edited, Fri Jun 2 02:13:48 2006 by coffeehamlet
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