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#27 Jun 03 2006 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey could you give me and everyone else a good laugh by explaining how your two diametricaly opposed statements actually mean the same thing and you aren't wrong by making either of them?

Well, one of the statements included the phrase "perfectly reasonable" so you kinda know that one's a throwaway.
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#28 Jun 03 2006 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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it seems perfectly reasonable that someone be able to prove allegations before they make them.



No. They don't have to prove them before making them.





Gbaji. If I'd just made the two above posts in the same thread, I'd at least like to think I'd say, "oops" or "okay, I'm busted" or something.

To state one thing categorically as "reasonable" and to deny it without at least some sort of "my bad" - well, it could be interpreted many different ways.

Now I'm starting to see why Bod said he won't argue with you on the other thread, not that Bod is always a bastion of logic or consistency (but I like a lot of his posts - and for that matter I'm not a bastion of logic or consistency all the time, either).

G, maybe you feel embattled - I can see you're way outnumbered. Maybe you take the "Sean Hannity" politics ala pit bull approach, at least to some extent (Sean never ever admits to any weakness on his side).

Your overall point is well taken, actually. Actually, you're a tough debater - you like to use facts - and the idea of abusing free speech protection to be a flake - you're not afraid to say this is a bad thing. You've made your case far better than anyon else in this thread.

Anyway, I'm getting a sense of a loooong-standing political rivalry here - maybe I have no idea what I'm getting myself into. Perhaps it's normal to never say "oops" in here. I can see that people who debate against you aren't too keen on the concept, either.

Well, I'm still trying to figure out if other posters try to dismiss you out of hand because there really is something so objectionable or unreasonable about you ... or do are they arch-loyal to politics that are opposite yours - and just can't stand that you argue a strong case for your side?
#29 Jun 03 2006 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

it seems perfectly reasonable that someone be able to prove allegations before they make them.



No. They don't have to prove them before making them.



Riiight.

Hey could you give me and everyone else a good laugh by explaining how your two diametricaly opposed statements actually mean the same thing and you aren't wrong by making either of them?


You actually think those statements are diametrically opposed? Where did you claim to be educated again?

Did you miss the phrase "be able" in front of the word prove in my first statement?

You do realize that the phrase means "having the ability to". Doesn't mean you have to actually do it first. Just that you *can*. Kinda like if I said that a young bird should be able to fly before leaping out of the nest does not mean the bird must be flying before it takes off.

I keep trying to assume you're not that ignorant, but then you keep showing your complete inability to read simple sentences. Sigh...
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#30 Jun 03 2006 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
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EvilGnomes. Read the above post. Read the two sentences. Ignore Smash. He loves to deliberately misinterprete statements like that. I'm still not totally clear if he just does it as a debating tactic, or if he's realy just a very very poor reader.


Again. Read that two statements. They are not in violation with eachother at all. Smash chose to misread my first statement by ignoring the "be able to" phrase. He then asked a question based on that (and designed specifically to get me to make two statements that on first glance might appear to be contradictory).

It's a little game he likes to play when he knows he can't win an argument on its merits. Kinda pathetic really. I play along with it (like I did in this case) specifically so I can point out what he's doing so that people like you will learn how to avoid being manipulated in a debate by cheap tricks.
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#31 Jun 03 2006 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
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You actually think those statements are diametrically opposed? Where did you claim to be educated again?

Did you miss the phrase "be able" in front of the word prove in my first statement?


Option one I see.

Funny as ever.

Thank you kind sir.
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#32 Jun 03 2006 at 11:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you kind sir.


For pointing out your inadequacies and slapping down your rather weak debating tricks? Sure. Anytime... :)


I'll give you a hint Smash. That tactic works much better in a spoken debate where the audience wont precisely remember the exact words that were said and you can make subtle changes to them in order to get that "zinger" in. Doesn't work so well in a written format, does it?

You are easy to bait into putting them side by side and making a totally idiotic argument about them though. You're normally pretty good at avoiding making direct arguements you can be nailed down to, but can't quite resist the opportunity to get a zinger in if you can. Which is why I played dumb just long enough for you to unzip your fly and show us how little you've really got...

Predictable as usual.


Now that the chaff's been disposed of. Some people's assertations to the contrary, protected speech does not mean you have a free pass to make any allegation you want and be free from damage to career as a result. Freedom and responsibility must go hand in hand, or you wont really have either. You are free to say anything you like, but maust accept the respnsiblity for the repercussions of what you say. It's just amazing to me that people think it's ok to ruin someone else's life or career, but think that yours should be totally safe no matter what.


Oh. And shadow. As Gnome pointed out, it was the liberals on the court that passed the imminent domain ruling. Funny thing is that I know this is at least the 3rd time you've been told this, but you keep bringing it up as though you haven't. So either you keep forgetting, or you just keep saying it even though you know it's wrong because you hope that no one will call you on it. I suspect the latter, but who knows?
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#33 Jun 04 2006 at 2:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Okay, now I see - be able to prove does actually mean that. I should have seen that.

There's a lot of venom thrown around in here - hey, sometimes I get ticked off, too.

Anyway, I want whistleblowers to be protected - I'm not sure I like what he's saying. Nevertheless, Gbaji has made the strongest case so far on this thread. People who level streams of ad hominen attacks against him are not responding with logic and facts. Gbaji uses logic and facts rather well. Just thought I'd point this out (i.e. try beating him with skillz, not insults ... oh, this is the Asylum....).
#34 Jun 04 2006 at 3:16 AM Rating: Good
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Predictable as usual.


Me telling you what to do, you doing it and me laughing about it?

Guilty!


You're normally pretty good at avoiding making direct arguements you can be nailed down to, but can't quite resist the opportunity to get a zinger in if you can. Which is why I played dumb


Yeah. I rarely can, it's true:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=4;mid=11491921938085064;num=106;page=3

Anyway, you can stop playing dumb now, 4 years is plenty, really.



Edited, Sun Jun 4 04:21:20 2006 by Smasharoo
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#35 Jun 04 2006 at 3:17 AM Rating: Good
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Gbaji uses logic and facts rather well.


Carck still cheap and plentifull I see. Good to know.

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#36 Jun 04 2006 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Smash, so far this sort of post is indicative of your style:

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You're halfwitted attempts at fumbling around having no idea what you're talking about are pretty amusing. My dead on target legal insight would be pretty boring.



That and the "functionally retarded" phone worker metaphor, which was so brilliant it whooshed me - or it made no sense (was basically so "mixed" it made me think "mixed drinks" then "Smash" then... ah, someone likes to post while brain-pickled on yeast-urine, excuse me, alcohol).

Smash, at some point you have to back up your guff and bluff with substance.

So far I've seen none.

Even in the link you posted, there was a complete lack of understanding of why the US doesn't have socialized medicine. I personally wouldn't mind socialized medicine if it were to actually work, and if you understood more than just a few of the many complex issues involved, you'd understand why I say this.

But Smash, you don't seem to me to be a person who is into understanding. You post like a soccer hooligan.

If you really have "dead on legal insight," prove it. Otherwise, shut up.



#37 Jun 04 2006 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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If you really have "dead on legal insight," prove it. Otherwise, shut up.


No.

You almost had me at "hello" though. Almost.

Edit: Let me elaborate.

There was a time when I would care what brainwashed pseudo intelectual posers thought aobut something and try to explain the obvious massive blind spots and holes in their arguments, but then it eventually dawned on me that they don't care at all, they just want to belive things because they like the way they sound while appearing to have idea at all what they're talking about.

There's no argument here. The US should have socialized medicine, the US is GOING to have socalized medicine, the US really, largely ALLREADY has socialized medicine. There's nothing to argue about. What there is to do is to make fun of idiots hoping verbosity will masquerade as argument and then just laugh at idiots like you that let it.

Understand yet?


Edited, Sun Jun 4 17:31:36 2006 by Smasharoo
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#38 Jun 04 2006 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, posts like a soccer hooligan.

#39 Jun 04 2006 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, posts like a soccer hooligan.


7 or 8 more times and that might be less banal and unfunny.

Probably not, though.

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