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Nothing, apparently, because every action we make is meaningless and futile, in the end, because we are not part of a society ourselves.


/emo off

You can label the people "social deviants" or "dregs of society", but the fact remains their *actions* (for which the people committing those actions are labeled) destroy society. A society is founded upon voluntary mutual peaceful exchange and cooperation. A society is destroyed by acts of theft, rape, and murder.

When it comes to specific actions no society can exist if every action is theft, rape, or murder. Society will always and only exist when actions are not theft, rape, or murder. That's the irrefutable point. Obviously, there are indeed actions of theft, rape, and murder and society still exists to the extent that not all actions are those. That's because not all actions are incessantly theft, rape, and murder. But when actions are theft, rape, or murder society ceases to exist for all those suffering or perpetrating those actions.

Laws exist to ostensibly protect society. Though not necessarily are all laws laws, just, or promoting of society. And anyways, Laws don't act; only people act. Patents for instance allow the pharmaceutical industry to steal the use of others' freedom to shape their personal actually existing, actually owned property into any form they so desire. Net result, drug companies gouging consumers, inferior products for sale, expenses for violent enforcement of that a-social monopoly protection.

I'm sure there's tons of bogus "privacy" justifications involved in reverse-engineering et. al. We are all immeasurably materially worse off because of this. Health care technology lags decades if not centuries behind what it would otherwise be. Many of you are programmers, and I'm sure have first hand experience with bogus copyright claims of likes of Microsoft, Scox, et al. It's easy to see how that stifles innovation. Violence or the threat of violence underlies the process which lines the pockets of the lawyers and corporate benefactors. It's no surprise Bill Gates feels shame at being the wealthiest man in the world. He only is because of a violent coercive process which has stolen the freedom of others to shape their property in any manner they would so choose.

Only violent actions by people destroy society when it comes to delineating responsible ownership of actions by people (obviously a natural disaster like a volcano can have a similar effect) and its effect on the existence or non-existence of society.

If a-social deviant behavior was "EXPECTED" then why aren't you, why isn't society encouraging theft, rape, and murder? Precisely because not only is that action NOT EXPECTED in society, but that action destroys society. Barbarism is expected outside of society, outside of civilization. If that action was expected than not only would society not punish, but encourage, weekend plundering raids. L.A. Riotz ftw, every weekend? No.

Of course, society is confronted at all times by actions which aim to destroy it, precisely in the form of theft, rape, and murder. It does not matter where those a-social action eminate from; all that matters is that those a-social actions which do eminate do destroy society and civilization then and there to the degree those consequences effect by fact of those actions being committed.

What is always absolutely clear, is the cause and effects of actual actions done by actually acting human beings. That's a helluva lot more advanced then talking about mythical "social frameworks" which don't act or any of the other innumerable anthropomorphic explanations bandied by social philosophers in the past.



I'm sure the GLB constituency would disagree with you here. Bad liberal. Bad liberal. Though I could forsee much suck-sess in adoption of the moniker "deviant" in similar fashion to adoption of the 'N' word by black youth.

It's expected Professor CrescentFresh not to bring about society, enhance society, or make society flourish. The expecations are the effects of a-social action are negative toward the existence of society. The expectations are that a-social actions do not bring about society, are not "necessary" for society; the expectations are the opposite. That's precisely why they are not "encouraged". That's the point.

You like to say theft, rape and murder a lot, don't you? You're posting from the slammer, I bet! Surrounded by theives, rapists and murders. tsk tsk