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One thing that I have learned, is that it's not the words, but the message that is important. Words can be missheard easily, simply play the telephone game to see this. Rarely are the messages ever relayed properly by the end.

I agree. This is why the Quran is clearly the superior vision of god's will. Written in the hand of the Prophet himself and not taked third hand from the accounts of those who travelled with him.

I mean, really. If you want to understand Sartre, do you read something he wrote, or something that some dude who sold him a baguette told a guy who told his son who wrote it down a century later?

I'm glad we agree that the bible is so weak as text revealing the nature of god in this way. It's refreshing you're so open minded about it.

Oh yeah, the New Testament.. what a gem. If I'm not completely wrong, that's the part of the story where Paulus, one of the diciples (?) claims that women should not speak in public.

Woah...I never said that. Please don't put words into my mouth.

I will admit that there have been many translations, and most languages do not have all of the correct words to translate the books of the Bible, so I cannot claim it to be the exact word of the day, however I can claim it to be the word of God as He intends it today.

I cannot accept your statement of the Quran being correct. There have been too many studies that have shown that there are passages missing, and refrences in those passages where Mohammad claims to be possesed. If it is indeed God who possesed Mohommad, and wrote those things in Mohammads hand, wouldn't God himself have told Mohammad, and why would man have been allowed to remove those words from the book, if it is indeed Gods holy book?

The problem that I have with many Muslims that I have encountered(many, I was a Ranger in the Army, and delt with quite a few overseas), is that they insist that theirs is the only "correct" path to God, when Jesus himself states(quite a few years earlier I might add), that "No one may go unto the Father, except through me". I don't see Mohammad being so bold, nor blunt, but I haven't read all of the Quran yet. I will also state that many Muslims that I have come across, show the utmost respect for Christianity, and see it as following a similar path to Heaven. I would imagine that most Muslims in the Arabic countries would be more than a little upset with them, but as a friend of my said: "If we seek the same God, is it the path that is more important, or the seeking that is more important, one of us will find that we're right, and then pray for the other to find the correct path". (His name is James, and he was born in Kandahar, he's 56 years old, and was a practicing Muslim for all but the last 4 years, when he converted to the Protestant church, in fact, he is one of the people pushing me to better understand the texts of both the Bible, and the Quran).

(disclaimer: I will not bash on any other religion, and have many friends that are not Christian, several in fact that are Muslim, and we have great discussion about the books we read, and where the teachings are similar. I don't bash Taoism, Buddism, Hinduism, or anything else that I'm too lazy to type right now)

I cannot accept your statement of the Quran being correct. There have been too many studies that have shown that there are passages missing, and refrences in those passages where Mohammad claims to be possesed. If it is indeed God who possesed Mohommad, and wrote those things in Mohammads hand, wouldn't God himself have told Mohammad, and why would man have been allowed to remove those words from the book, if it is indeed Gods holy book?

Losing the word of god in translation isn't the same as Matthew telling you what he remembers Christ saying 20 years ago. Or more importantly what, at this point, what some random church offical wants Matthew to have heard Christ say.

No, if you accept Mohammed and say, Moses as equal prophets of god's word, the Quran is clearly the superior text. Not close at all.

If you reject Mohammed as a prophet you'd better have some substantial reason why. For instance, I think religion is scam for suckers to take their money, but I imagine your reasons would differ slightly.

Arguments aside wasnt it the angel Gabriel that relayed the Koran to Mohammed as Gods immutable Word.

Al-Baqarah

Alif lam mim. This Book is not to be doubted. It isa guide for the righteous.



Edited, Mon May 22 19:45:43 2006 by bodhisattva

Yes, thank goodness we live in perfect equality now! Whew.

Get back in the kitchen! Couldn't help myself sorry Samira.

It's the thought that counts

WOAH

woah woah wo-ah!

Samira is a chick?

hmm :P well go back and read my post about several of the laws that are no longer followed.

smash asked to site a point, well points, and i gave 1 referance. look to a fair amount of the new testament talking about the new convenent. those are the laws that supperseed the old testament and the first covenent between god and man.

we no longer have to sacrifice animals or humans, there are several other old laws, as smash pointed out duteromity(sp is not my strong suit). those are the old laws. now a good portion of them still apply, but any and all that Jesus Christ said are differnt or no longer apply in the old ways, well that is the foundation of Christianity.

the NEW Covenent vs. the old.

/shrug
they're men. What do you expect?

We're just waiting for you to verbally castrate someone.

coughcoughbodhicough