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Read the Bybee memo (there are 50 pages it should keep you busy)

I suppose we could just cut their heads off. That seems to be popular where they're from.

Wow. Those terrorists suck.

OK, it's possible that reading comprehension is just > me... It says that Camp 4 is the one for compliant prisoners and those that are slated for release, where does it say that the prisoners have been informed of this fact?

(And, for that matter, where does it say when those prisoners who are "slated" for release will actually, in fact, be released?)

Hey, (to be even more repetitive again)for that matter, in reading the article it says "Camp Four is for the most compliant prisoners and those who are slated for release."

Not "those who are most compliant and slated for release", but "those who are most compliant and those who are slated for release". Again, maybe I'm just stoopid, or it's sloppy journalism, but it sounds like there are 2 groups of folks in Camp 4.

The compliant ones (til now, I suppose)
The ones who are about to be released.

So, were the ones who set up this thing in the first group or the second? If they're in the first, well, the system was wrong, and so are you.

Bah, I'm probably jusy nitpicking. Carry on with yours.

Sort of like you have no evidence of ?

So basically, the most qualified constitutional law professionals agree with me.

Not sure what you're getting at here. Are you arguing that even though the "experts" on international treaties and how they apply to constitutional constraints on presidential power say that the UN Convention on Torture should be interpreted in a specific manner, that you, who presumably are not nearly as qualified to make the same intepretation think their opinions are irrelevant because they don't reach the same conclusions you do (or more correctly, the same opinions you've been told you should come to)?


Silly me. I'll stick with the legal experts on this one...

Let's make one thing perfectly clear...the "human biengs" who are "wrongfully imprisoned" without a "fair trial" are, in reality ENEMY COMBATANTS. An enemy combatant is an individual who has engaged in open warfare against a combatant force. An individual is classified as an enemy combatant when they are not part of an organized fighting force (i.e a soverign nations army), but are part of an irregular force such as people who don't wear identifing uniforms, use protected structures (i.e. hospitals, schools, places of worship) as a staging point for combat operations. Enemy Combatants DO NOT follow the Laws of War...yes, there are laws. Law of War is basesd on international law and treaties (i.e. the Geneva Convention) Enemy combatants are irregular forces and are NOT Prisoners of War (POW). The individuals who are currently residing at Guantanamo Bay are not entitled to a trial. They were captured while engaged in open warfare in both Afganistan and Iraq. Please understand I do not condone the acts of a few retards, such as the folks who were in charge at Abu Gharib. Their act were reprehensible in the extreme, but don't believe for one minute the individuals being "abused" wouldn't do far worse if the circumstances were reversed. If you doubt that, may I remind you of the beheadings of journalists, missionaries and other civilians,in other words, NON-Combatants, who were kidnapped off the streets of Iraq. The "gentlemen" in question are treated far better in outr care than they would ever be if they were imprisoned by their own country.

I always stand amazed at how quickly so many here are apt to leap to the defense of our avowed enemies as if these prisoners were people who has legitimate reason to complain about their treatment. If as many hands were wrung or tears were shed for those killed, maimed, or injured by these same PoWs as have been shed for the supposedly awful "atrocities" like being made wear women's clothing, having tennis balls chucked at their nuts, or getting non-toxic chemicals that are luminescent poured on them is anywhere in the same ballpark...

Now we even have those here who openly sympathize with those attacking our countrymen and make excuses for why they would do something like that.

Amazing.

Totem

True dat, Nobby. Now substitute the word "po-lice" for US troops and you whiteys might have an argument...

Totem

My original statement still stands.

Gitmo has netted little in the way of actionable intelligence and the methods of coercing information from detainees has been shown to net false data.

It also has helped destroy US credibility internationally and only become a recruiting tool for those who fight against you, pushing people towards increased acts of extremism.

Repeateing myself again but we need a keen Jew to come in and explain the consequences of 1)Creating a Sense of Other 2)Proceed to dehumanize, denigrate the "other" or perhaps a replay of the Stanford Prison Experiment.

As frightening as it sounds I agree with Bhodi. They are holding these men with no word on the length of time or when/if a release is in their futures. Understandably, they are combatants, but when the U.N. is calling for the U.S. to shut down the site that should say something.

The U.S. needs to step back a bit and take a look at the situation. If the situation was reversed, the entire country would be up in arms at U.S. soldiers being held in excess of four years with no release in sight. But since we're the ones doing it, I guess it's ok. Nice to see we have our own P.O.W. camp. Woot!