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#1 May 18 2006 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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DNA study: Human-chimp split was messy

NEW YORK (AP) -- Humans and chimps diverged from a single ancestral population through a complex process that took 4 million years, according to a new study comparing DNA from the two species.

By analyzing about 800 times more DNA than previous studies of the human-chimp split, researchers from the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard were able to learn not just when, but a little bit about how the sister species arose.

"For the first time we're able to see the details written out in the DNA," said Eric Lander, founding director of the Broad Institute. "What they tell us at the least is that the human-chimp speciation was very unusual."

The researchers hypothesize that an ancestral ape species split into two isolated populations about 10 million years ago, then got back together after a few thousand millennia. At that time the two groups, though somewhat genetically different, would have mated to form a third, hybrid population. That population could have interbred with one or both of its parent populations. Then, at some point after 6.3 million years ago, two distinct lines arose.

Some experts in human evolution are skeptical of that precise scenario, but nevertheless impressed with the study.

"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Daniel Lieberman, a professor of biological anthropology at Harvard. "My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely."

Past studies that compared human and chimp DNA could only offer a point estimate of how long ago the two species split by averaging the amount of divergence in their genes. Generally, those studies come up with a figure of about 7 million years ago.

But since the completion of the chimpanzee genome project in September it is possible to look at how specific sections of the genetic code have evolved. The Broad Institute study, which will be published in a future issue of the journal Nature, is one of the first to do that.

"There are a lot of big surprises here," Lander said.

For one thing, the new data suggest the human-chimp split was much closer to the present than the 7 million year date that fossils and previous studies indicate -- certainly no earlier than 6.3 million years ago, and more likely in the neighborhood of 5.4 million.

The data also show that the human-chimp split probably took millions of years. That's because in some parts of the DNA sequence the genetic difference between humans and chimps is so large that those genes must have been isolated from each other nearly 10 million years ago. But in other places the human and chimp lines are so close that they appear to have still been swapping genetic material at least until 6.3 million years ago.

One of those areas is the X-chromosome, which is intriguing.

"The genes that are a barrier to speciation tend to be on the X-chromosome," said David Reich, the main author of the study.


So what we have here is compelling evidence stating that humans and chimps knocked boots far longer than we thought originally. I was reading another article about this, and one of the things scientists are going to start looking into more heavily are the hybrid species; offspring of two seperate species that go on to breed themselves. It seems these hybrid species may help more than previously thought to guide us towards more information on the missing link.
#2 May 18 2006 at 9:30 AM Rating: Default
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Sounds to me like some scientists got sick of hearing the joke "If we came from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys? Some monkeys were just too stupid to get over that hurdle?"
#3 May 18 2006 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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That ayn't whut it sayus in du baable!

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#4 May 18 2006 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
With a title like that I was expecting the X Rated Bahstan photos to be emerging.


I will be waiting patiently.

#5 May 18 2006 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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Soracloud, King of Bards wrote:
With a title like that I was expecting the X Rated Bahstan photos to be emerging.


I will be waiting patiently.

I'll echo this sentiment. Color me Smiley: disappointed
#6 May 18 2006 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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get over it. If you weren't there for the fun pics, you're only going to use your imagination until the next fest.

People cmon!!!!! I just gave you an article that said humans f[Aliceblue][/Aliceblue]ucked monkeys and vice versa!!!!!!!!


So far Im dissapointed in your reactions Smiley: disappointed
#7 May 18 2006 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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People cmon!!!!! I just gave you an article that said humans ****** monkeys and vice versa!!!!!!!!

What else is new. You should have seen the **** I dragged home from the bar last Friday night. Damn that was one hairy *****.
#8 May 18 2006 at 10:04 AM Rating: Default
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Did she, uh, walk upright? Speak? How hairy exactly was she?
#9 May 18 2006 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Those were not human beings, they were pre human beings that made neandertals look like albert einstein (intelligence wise, no one is saying old AE was a looker.)
#10 May 18 2006 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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fhrugby wrote:
Those were not human beings, they were pre human beings that made neandertals look like albert einstein (intelligence wise, no one is saying old AE was a looker.)


i.e. the missing link? Smiley: dubious
#11 May 18 2006 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
Heh does anyone think this still doesn't go on *today* anywhere in the world? Wasn't the whole point of the Gorillaz in da Myst chyck to spawn a new super species? Well maybe this article is only saying something like Chihuahuas and Doberman's do it? /shocked I tell ya! Bad dog! I mean bad monkey!

How else are hippies going to save species that are close to extinction let alone save species that don't exist yet if they don't at least try to do it with them?
#12 May 18 2006 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Lady DSD wrote:
get over it. If you weren't there for the fun pics, you're only going to use your imagination until the next fest.

People cmon!!!!! I just gave you an article that said humans f[Aliceblue][/Aliceblue]ucked monkeys and vice versa!!!!!!!!


So far Im dissapointed in your reactions Smiley: disappointed


I think most of us aren't really surprised. After all, humans have been known to "knock boots" with other animals (and/or vacuums).
#13 May 18 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Wait a cotton pickin' minute here. Are you trying to say that God didn't make chimps?
#14 May 18 2006 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Lady DSD wrote:
get over it. If you weren't there for the fun pics, you're only going to use your imagination until the next fest.

People cmon!!!!! I just gave you an article that said humans f[Aliceblue][/Aliceblue]ucked monkeys and vice versa!!!!!!!!


So far Im dissapointed in your reactions Smiley: disappointed


I think most of us aren't really surprised. After all, humans have been known to "knock boots" with other animals (and/or vacuums).


Ya that was pretty much my thought. Until I realized the scientists would not have seen any trace unless a fairly large fraction of the population did it. Were those chimp girls easy? Were the chimp men great lovers?
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