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#27 May 18 2006 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've been mulling it over for a couple weeks now. Usually given enough thought and time things tend to figure themselves out. Its just not happening this time.

She has this whole thing where she only wants my attention if I am occuppied (reading, playing a game, going out with friends). If I dont drop what I am doing for her then I am a bad boyfriend.


This is something she could work on, and that counseling could be very helpful for. I'm assuming you've already discussed this issue with her at length...
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She is obtuse. Example she read Life of Pi and didnt get the whole animals being representation of people aspect even though its clearly explained at the end.


Do you find yourselves to be generally incompatable intellectually? If so, that can be a very difficult thing to deal with and if you really feel this way about her than it's also likely that you'll both end up resenting the other. This actually sounds more like your issue to deal with than hers, in my opinion.

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She is unhappy with various aspects of her life and tends to have a "grass is greener" type approach to pursuing happiness. "If only I did this or moved here" I would be happy.


That sort of escapist mentallity is fairly common, and again, counseling sounds like a really good option for her if she doesn't seem capable of dealing with it on her own. I admit that I have my own issues with this personally, but I suck it up and deal and realize that I'll probably just never be happy, hahaha.

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Part of me knows that these are probably issues that are too big to get resolved however I have been going out with the girl for just 1 month shy of two years an despite these things I really like her and hold out hope that somehow things will work out.


2 years is a long time. The rest of your life will hopefully be alot longer.

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#28 May 18 2006 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
I've been mulling it over for a couple weeks now. Usually given enough thought and time things tend to figure themselves out. Its just not happening this time.

She has this whole thing where she only wants my attention if I am occuppied (reading, playing a game, going out with friends). If I dont drop what I am doing for her then I am a bad boyfriend.

She is obtuse. Example she read Life of Pi and didnt get the whole animals being representation of people aspect even though its clearly explained at the end.

She is unhappy with various aspects of her life and tends to have a "grass is greener" type approach to pursuing happiness. "If only I did this or moved here" I would be happy.


Part of me knows that these are probably issues that are too big to get resolved however I have been going out with the girl for just 1 month shy of two years an despite these things I really like her and hold out hope that somehow things will work out.


while therr seem to definitely be issues that you both as a couple need to work on, the one I bolded is the one that bothers me the most. Im thinking back to the time you were upset because she was pushing you hard to move far away and you put your foot down. I hope shes not the kind of person to fling that back on you years later, blaming you for her "lack of a good life" because you didnt move.


The attention aspect sounds like she has a confidence issue. If she is not #1 priority to you 24/7 she resents it. And most likely because shes not confident that she has you. Its like a little kid squeezing a kitten. They squeeze it because they love it soooo much! But they forget to let the kitten breathe, and next thing you know, kittens in a cardboard box buried under the lilac bushes. If she wants to keep you, she needs to learn to let go a little bit before you bolt. And it sounds like that just might be something youre fantasizing about.
#29 May 18 2006 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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I assume this is the same girl that wanted to move to the other end of the country? What happened with that?
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#30 May 18 2006 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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She has this whole thing where she only wants my attention if I am occuppied (reading, playing a game, going out with friends). If I dont drop what I am doing for her then I am a bad boyfriend.
Your girl have dependency issues? If she does, telling her to work her **** out won't help much. People like that don't know what to do with themselves.

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Part of me knows that these are probably issues that are too big to get resolved
I can only speak from personal experience, but I don't know that this is always the case. Sure some of it is probably personality traits but people can alter their behavior. I don't believe that anyone can truly 'change' but people can learn from life experience and grow to deal with things better. It took me ~10 years to get my wife to be able to stand on her own two feet. Only problem now is she's standing on her own two feet.

Edited, Thu May 18 10:54:43 2006 by Jacobsdeception
#31 May 18 2006 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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She wants to move to Ottawa which is on the other side of the country. (We have no support network there, no family, no job prospects). However her bestest friend in the world lives there, plus she also doesnt want to live in the same city for the rest of her life. She is gonna move with or without me. If I love her I will drop it all and take her over everything (notice a recurring theme?)


I pretty much sat down and told her it was not fair to give me this ultimatum which would pretty much cut me off from all of my friends and family. I also stated that moving wouldnt make her happy or fulfill some missing part of her life. If she was unhappy here that she would be unhappy anywhere.


I think that clicked with her.
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#32 May 18 2006 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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Sounds like you know what to do, Bhod, but it's just the doing it that's hard, but if you never move on from this, you'll possibly miss out on someone who has all the qualities in her that you love and none of the **** you can't stand. That's what dating is for, for you to find out what you like and want, and what you can't stand and don't want.

As for her issues, they are hers. As much as you love someone, you're not there to fix what's broken in them. If she isn't willing to take charge of this aspect of her life and it's an issue between you, it always will be.
#33 May 18 2006 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Does she have a life outside of you? Good friends she hangs with? Or does her life revolve entirely around you? She needs to have something for herself, separate from you.

And she also needs to be content with herself before she can make a close relationship with someone else work.
#34 May 18 2006 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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Does she have a life outside of you? Good friends she hangs with? Or does her life revolve entirely around you? She needs to have something for herself, separate from you.



At the same time she needs to give you time to do things seperate from her without nagging, or else the closeness shes trying to force will only backfire
#35 May 18 2006 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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Sounds like you know what to do, Bhod, but it's just the doing it that's hard, but if you never move on from this, you'll possibly miss out on someone who has all the qualities in her that you love and none of the **** you can't stand. That's what dating is for, for you to find out what you like and want, and what you can't stand and don't want.

As for her issues, they are hers. As much as you love someone, you're not there to fix what's broken in them. If she isn't willing to take charge of this aspect of her life and it's an issue between you, it always will be.


QFT, well said, Fleainator.

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#36 May 18 2006 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Lady DSD wrote:
Jawbox wrote:
Does she have a life outside of you? Good friends she hangs with? Or does her life revolve entirely around you? She needs to have something for herself, separate from you.

At the same time she needs to give you time to do things seperate from her without nagging, or else the closeness shes trying to force will only backfire

That's basically what I was trying to get at. Giving him space and time of his own would likely follow from having a life outside of just him. SHe wouldn't have to nag him for his attention all the time if she had alternative sources of fulfillment.
#37 May 18 2006 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Fleainator.

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#38 May 18 2006 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Jawbox wrote:
That's basically what I was trying to get at. Giving him space and time of his own would likely follow from having a life outside of just him. SHe wouldn't have to nag him for his attention all the time if she had alternative sources of fulfillment.

While a noble thought on both your parts and doubtless right, I think that the issue at the heart of this is that she has an expectation of what a partner is supposed to do for her and be for her, that Bhodi does not share. That's a doozy.

Edited, Thu May 18 11:05:55 2006 by Atomicflea
#39 May 18 2006 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Jawbox wrote:
Lady DSD wrote:
Jawbox wrote:
Does she have a life outside of you? Good friends she hangs with? Or does her life revolve entirely around you? She needs to have something for herself, separate from you.

At the same time she needs to give you time to do things seperate from her without nagging, or else the closeness shes trying to force will only backfire

That's basically what I was trying to get at. Giving him space and time of his own would likely follow from having a life outside of just him. SHe wouldn't have to nag him for his attention all the time if she had alternative sources of fulfillment.


Im sure thats what you were getting at, but I just wanted to hammer it in a bit more. You know, make sure it wasnt lost on him. Smiley: grin
#40 May 18 2006 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Jawbox wrote:
That's basically what I was trying to get at. Giving him space and time of his own would likely follow from having a life outside of just him. SHe wouldn't have to nag him for his attention all the time if she had alternative sources of fulfillment.

While a noble thought on both your parts and doubtless right, I think that the issue at the heart of this is that she has an expecation of what a partner is supposed to do for her and be for her, that Bhodi does not share. That's a doozy.



Im not so sure thats a real expectation of hers, or if its more of a symptom of pure confidence issues. As women, you and I know that when we feel confident in ourselves and our relationships, we never need a tight leash on our men. And we also know from observing our fellow sisters, the tighter the leash, the quicker the relationship degenerates.
#41 May 18 2006 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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Lady DSD wrote:
Im not so sure thats a real expectation of hers, or if its more of a symptom of pure confidence issues. As women, you and I know that when we feel confident in ourselves and our relationships, we never need a tight leash on our men. And we also know from observing our fellow sisters, the tighter the leash, the quicker the relationship degenerates.

Our ideas about relationships manifest themselves in expecations. People with both rotten self-esteem and a pretty decent self-image can both have pretty selfish ideas about what a partner is supposed to do with them and for them. For example, someone witheither of these traits may expect that if someone really loves them, they should forgive them anything. This isn't a problem as long as the other person is willing to meet those expectations.
#42 May 18 2006 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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but the question then remains, if they went for counseling and actually worked their problems out, wouldnt then their expectations of others change? Thats why I think its more a symptom, something that *could* be changed. Not that I think Bhod has a chance in hell of changing her or getting her to change for herself. Either way, tomato, tomahto. Smiley: wink
#43 May 18 2006 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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I was going to respond to this
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but the question then remains, if they went for counseling and actually worked their problems out, wouldnt then their expectations of others change? Thats why I think its more a symptom, something that *could* be changed.

That is, until I read this
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Not that I think Bhod has a chance in hell of changing her or getting her to change for herself. Either way, tomato, tomahto. Smiley: wink

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#44 May 18 2006 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Allow me to echo what everyone else is saying so that I can +1 my post count.

The devil you know is much better than the devil you don't in my opinion.

If you can't be patient and supportive and helpful at this point, when it's easy (and f'ucking trust me, its easy compared to the next stages), you're in trouble.

Consider your life to be a giant pile of dung. As long you keep hording your pile, you will never find the right one. As long as its your time, and your stuff, and your money, and your things, and your way, and your space, and your needs, it will be a fight.

Share your sh'it.
#45 May 18 2006 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Consider your life to be a giant pile of dung.


God I love you, you always say the right thing.Smiley: inlove

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#46 May 18 2006 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I will share my dung with anyone who wants it!

#47 May 18 2006 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
I'm with DSD on this one- her clinginess, negativity and insecurities could very well be a sign of low self-esteem. It's a fairly common trait, unfortunately. Unless she was with a s/o before Bodhi who perhaps cheated on her, it sounds to me like she doesn't respect herself enough, so has issues with emotional attachments and her self-dissatisfaction gets transferred to anything that makes her feel uncomfortable or intimidated. It also supports the 'grass is greener' mentality, in that she may feel that perhaps somewhere else, she can feel confident and strong. It's a form of running away.

And I won't begin to try to counsel Bodhi, but it seems to me he has to do some serious self-evaluation. As much as he loves her, is he willing to put up with her neuroses forever? That's what marriage is supposed to represent- a lifelong commitment. Unless he's 100% certain the answer is yes, I wouldn't advise getting even more invested in the relationship, without some form of counselling.

Ah, but it's always easier to give advice than take it.
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#48 May 18 2006 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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My wife was the same way when I was trying to do somthing after we got married. If it was in another room it drove her ********

I tried to wean her off of it slowly, staying around less and less when she was doing somthing boring. What eventually came out was "No, goddamnit, I won't watch ******* American Idol!". She does the most boring crap sometimes. I know she considers a lot of what I do to be boring, but I don't make her participate. Also, if she is doing some chore around the house it pisses her off if I'm not around when she does it. Even if I'm not actually helping.

Drives me ******** but we're cooperating better. It just took a few months to iron everything out to a routine.
#49 May 18 2006 at 11:17 AM Rating: Decent
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My wife is the same way. It wasn't until I realized that she just really really loved me and wanted to spend every second with me that I learned to relax.
#50 May 18 2006 at 11:17 AM Rating: Default
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You're young. Live a little. Women are dream killers and life takers. Ask any married guy.

Once you've accomplished everything you've set out to do, then one will fall into your lap. And if your circumstances are much better then than now, it'll be a much better chica.

Just sayin.
#51 May 18 2006 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Silenus wrote:
You're young. Live a little. Women are dream killers and life takers. Ask any married guy.

Once you've accomplished everything you've set out to do, then one will fall into your lap. And if your circumstances are much better then than now, it'll be a much better chica.

Just sayin.


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