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#77 May 14 2006 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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You can reread the thread (or the other two just like it) if you want to see the uses for estimation for later years, so I don't need to start reciting those again.

As far as skillsets go, estimation works with quite a few of them in math, but the most clear cut one is probably with quick evaluations. Good estimation skills allow people to quickly guage whether or not answers are reasonable. Training the skill trains their ability to see these things. And if we want to talk practicality, if you can estimate an answer, you can use other math tricks to reach the exact answer quicker.

Stupid easy example: Say if I want to figure out what 20x19 is. Using estimation, I know that the answer will be close to 20x20 or 400, an easy value to come up with on the spot. Simply subtract 20 from that and you've got 380, the answer.

It's stuff like that which gives young students a better grasp of the reasoning behind the math. Do you remember how students are taught to do long multiplication like that? It involves writing the numbers above each other and doing a little matrix-like thing with carrying numbers around. It works, but it can be a little abstract for young students.


Then later you get to the more complex applications, like the ones in calculus and such. What would you suggest, that the education system save teaching this simple yet useful technique until late high school and college? That would be denying how practical it is in both education and real life until then.

Education isn't just about rote memorization. While you might like to argue that estimation is just a slipshod way of solving a problem, that's not the case. Early on, it's method of thought which gives you a quick take on a problem, allows you to see whether your answers are reasonable, or lets you work with numbers in a less formulaic manner. Later on, estimation provides the backbone to the theory of calculus.

That's the kind of theory that I'm talking about. Not just memorizing the forumula's, but actually knowing your way around the numbers. Being able to quickly toss them around in your head to not only reach an exact answer quicker, but also help yourself by just being able to look at a problem and gauge in what realm your answer should theoretically lie.

That's how you get mastery of the subject. Not just knowing the formulas.
#79 May 15 2006 at 4:17 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, yeah. I know we're talking about early education here.

My point is getting past you, and I can't think of another way to explain it that'll make it any more clear. Reread the first three paragraphs of my last post; that's one explanation of where I think the applications for estimation lie. Additionally, its merit as a time-saver is very real, and though you can skew that into a negative, it's still there and useful. If you want to argue semantics about what is "theory", then we'll just go in circles. The problem is I disagree with pretty much your entire last paragraph. Again, I don't know a simpler way to phrase my point for you though.

Agree to disagree I suppose. At least you provide a legible argument, which is more than I can say for shadowrelm.

Edited, Mon May 15 05:17:23 2006 by Eske
#80 May 15 2006 at 4:31 AM Rating: Good
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Estimation isn't being used to replace actual math knowledge, it's teaching a new skill set to young students who may not have developed it yet.

Beyond just the time-saving aspect, I'd think it would open up students' minds to new angles at which to attack a problem (math or otherwise). This will come in handy later in classes like geometry and college calculus, in which there is not always a set-in-stone procedure through which to solve every problem. The student must devise their own path to the solution, and techniques like estimation may help them to recognize patterns such as "this integral looks like it could be solved by trigonometric substitution." Perhaps it even helps develop the other side of the brain.

It's a similar concept to something from reading classes in 3rd grade or whenever. We were taught the difference between "skimming" and "scanning," and how to use them to our advantage. It certainly wasn't about standardized testing, and no teacher was suggesting that we skim great works of literature rather than read them. It was giving us a new skill set.


#81 May 15 2006 at 6:58 AM Rating: Good
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Youshutup the Vile wrote:
They have nothing whatsoever to do with multiplying and dividing and finding values "near enough" the one you want. You estimate only when you have no other possible option following the rules of the your field of interest; in any one of them you will be so far advanced from the maths we're talking about by the time you have to use them that "estimation" as it is being taught here has no application whatsoever, and it's not about being acquainted with an underliying theory or concept because there is none.


I still disagree. You're thinking too specifically in terms of fields in which estimation might be useful and then trying to argue that it's not useful to 4th grade math, so it shouldn't be taught. But that's not really true.

Estimation is useful all by itself as an error correction methodology. No one's saying that it should be taught instead of the math. But it's incredibly valuable when taught in addition to it. The most common errors one will make when doing math is to either drop a decimal place somewhere, or transpose two numbers. It happens all the time. At all levels of math. You write out a number and you write it wrong. Once you do that, no matter how well you've mastered the skill you're using, you'll get a wrong answer. Most importantly, that answer will usually be significantly wrong, not just a little bit wrong.

Contrary to shadow's belief, most math errors will be large, not small. As a result, it's usually *very* easy to catch them if yo've learned a few easy estimation tricks. This will help children do better on math tests, and it's a skill that will help them for the rest of their lives. Even if they don't get into a field that requires calculus and such.

Having a feel for what a number "should be" is incredibly valuable. It's a skill that everyone should learn and use, but many dont. I think that it's a good step that more schools are teaching this now instead of just drilling rote steps into kids heads that they'll likely forget down the line anyway.

Heh. Shadow's pretty much upset about it because it's a Republican education change, so that should tell you something. Yeah. How dare those public schools teach kids skills that private schools have been teaching them for decades. After all, we all know that public schools are better, right?...
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