Jophiel wrote:
You haven't answered my question. Do you believe that there hasn't been any Democratic action in Congress to create a reform bill?
Sure there has. The McCain/Kennedy bill in particular. Which, while not a bad bill (and in fact was one I pointed out as being relatively ignored by those involved in the marches), does not ultimately address the issue of border security. It only addresses how to "clean up" the illegals already in the country. It does nothing about how to prevent the same problem in the future.
Um... That's also a partisan bill. Interestingly enough, to listen to the average talking heads involved in the marches, its bad points are all blamed on Republicans and the good ones credited to Democrats. Go figure!
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Incidentally, in reference to the bulk of your above post, you had stated: "while the Dems organize marches...". I was asking for clarification on which "Dems" you meant. Democratic voters or actual members of the DNC. If you want to say that people who vote Democratic are organizing marches and not "creating solutions", go for it. If you're implying that Democratic members of the legislature are doing so, I'm going to have to call you on that.
Of course the Dems in office aren't actively involved in organizing the marches. But the organizations they work with every day *are*. Funny that DeLay gets charged with a crime on the basis of actions taken by a PAC that he was involved with, but you seem to want to argue there's no cooperation or coordination between the DNC and the various Liberal action groups out there? C'mon Joph. No one's that naive...
I thought I was very clear that it was Democrat party supporters who organized the marches. Political action committees and such. And I'm not saying that's "wrong". I'm just saying that the structure of the marches was specifically designed to maximize the numbers of people, while minimizing any real solidarity on the issues involved. People were marching "for immigration".
Again. What exactly does that mean? Nothing. But a couple million people marched for it. And if you don't think that the Dems view that as a victory and a show of support for their party and their ideals, then you are even more naive then I think. Once again though, it's a pursuit of numbers to make it "appear" that they've got more support then they do. Nothing was decided by those marches. No decision on the issue is made. The only "message" sent was "hey. Don't mess with us. Because we've got a bunch of people who'll march if we tell them to.". Of course, the people wont march for any specific thing, but we can make it look like they *might*. And that's the entire point of the event.
And yeah. I *do* have a problem with that. It's activism for the sake of supporting activism. It's dangerous because it's undirected. It's more dangerous because the people marching in those rallys/protests don't know what the agenda of the people they appear to support really are. I've stated many times that it's Liberal movements that lead to oppression in democratic societies, and this is one of the symptoms. When you get people to march, virtually on cue, not for a particular cause, but purely by using specific keywords, you step into incredibly dangerous territory because you generate the impression of mass support that doesn't really exist. But no one knows that, and the masses just keep marching in whatever direction they're going, and pretty soon, the folks at the front of the crowd are wearing brownshirts and directing the crowd to take action. And when that happens, they'll be so used to simply following their marching orders and allowing the moment to lead them, that they'll do it.
That's how you overthrow a democracy Joph. It's an incredibly dangerous game the Dems are playing right now, and it's quite possible for it to backfire on them. They're playing the popular opinion game. They aren't trying to fight Republicans on issues, but on generationg rabid opposition among the masses (what do you think the focus on popularity polls is about?). But in the absense of issues those people are "for", it creates a massive vacuum simply waiting for a charismatic leader to step into.
So yeah. I do have a problem with those marches. I have a problem with what they represent.
