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#27 Apr 18 2006 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, but in this specific case, the "facts" being discussed here do clearly point to the accusation being accurate, and I fail to see where it gets old.

It gets old when it's used to define women as a group and not a specific instance. It gets old when it's the knee-jerk reaction. I'm sure it rubs you the wrong way to have me think how I do.

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There are plenty of people trucking out the smoke and mirrors that you are using to combat the old arguments when it seems pretty damn clear at this point that all she is is a gold digger that has a politicly ambitious prosecutor in her corner.
It's pretty damn clear to you, at least. I unserstand, though. I know you heart yourself.

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Jump down off your high horse and acknowledge the likelihood that in this case, a ***** is a ***** is a ***** no matter how she gets paid.
Make me. Smiley: laugh You know that's not why I argue, Moe. Hoping to turn me is like hoping to turn you.
#28 Apr 18 2006 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not so much arguing the specifics of this case, but the basic underlying belief some men seem to have that a woman accusing a man of rape brought it on herself.


Hey, she was wearing a tight skirt.
#29 Apr 18 2006 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not so much arguing the specifics of this case, but the basic underlying belief some men seem to have that a woman accusing a man of rape brought it on herself.


Hey, she was wearing a tight skirt.


And she had a ******!
#30 Apr 18 2006 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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It gets old when it's used to define women as a group and not a specific instance. It gets old when it's the knee-jerk reaction. I'm sure it rubs you the wrong way to have me think how I do.

Stereotypes become so because of the great giant ball of truth that the generalization represents. Just like old asian women and how they drive, hood rats claiming rape is just a ploy to get paid. The only thing rubbing me the wrong way at the moment is liberal hairy-armpitted women defending her on principle, ignoring the mountain of information piling up against her.
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It's pretty damn clear to you, at least. I unserstand, though. I know you heart yourself.

I'm easy to understand, I'm a freakin genius. Making the rest of you mental midgets see a clear picture is like trying to whisper sweet nothings in to Helen Keller's palm.
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Make me.

Come here.
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You know that's not why I argue, Moe. Hoping to turn me is like hoping to turn you.

Typing it out makes it so much less stimulating.
#31 Apr 18 2006 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:

Stereotypes become so because of the great giant ball of truth that the generalization represents
Ah, a classic!! Now sing me the one about flying me to the moon.

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I'm easy to understand, I'm a freakin genius. Making the rest of you mental midgets see a clear picture is like trying to whisper sweet nothings in to Helen Keller's palm.
I feel your pain.

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Come here.
I'd ask you to pay my fare, but then you would call me a ***** and think it's okay to rape me.

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Typing it out makes it so much less stimulating.
A girl protects herself in the best way she knows how.
#32 Apr 18 2006 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
Are you going to stop posting at 10k like Bhodi?
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I'd ask you to pay my fare, but then you would call me a ***** and think it's okay to rape me.

Ok, now I'm turned on. I was just mildly interested before, but now I have a full-on 3" erection.
#33 Apr 18 2006 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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It's shameless, the way you flirt.
#34 Apr 18 2006 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Are you going to stop posting at 10k like Bhodi?

Ni**a, please.

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Ok, now I'm turned on. I was just mildly interested before, but now I have a full-on 3" erection.

Now half of the i-pod shaped sugar cookie that I just got for free from my office is all over my keyboard. Damn you! Smiley: laugh
#35 Apr 18 2006 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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“Turn on a music video. A black woman is somebody who has excess sexuality spilling out all over the place. It’s excess sexuality that white men are entitled to,” she said.


I vote this as the most retarded statement ever uttered.

#36 Apr 18 2006 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, now I'm turned on. I was just mildly interested before, but now I have a full-on 3" erection.


Okay, I've got to sig that.
#37 Apr 18 2006 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I vote this as the most retarded statement ever uttered.
You haven't read the OoT forum today.
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#38REDACTED, Posted: Apr 18 2006 at 11:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What's the big surprise another gold digger ni*ger lying her as* off to steal the money of these rich white kids.
#39 Apr 18 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Molish, of all people you are not in a position to cry foul about personal attacks.
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#40 Apr 18 2006 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
I vote this as the most retarded statement ever uttered.
You haven't read the OoT forum today.


Touche. I hereby retract my original stamtement.

What a freakin train wreck.

Your sig is still in the running though. That's classic. Smiley: lol

Edited, Tue Apr 18 13:16:13 2006 by NephthysWanderer
#41 Apr 18 2006 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Molish, of all people you are not in a position to cry foul about personal attacks.


Ahhh, the ever so judgmental Sammy.
Do tell, why am I in no position to cry afoul for personal attacks? Have I given you too much of my special polish love lately?

I love your attention. Please, continue to validate my life with your responses.

reverse Psychology ftw!
#42 Apr 18 2006 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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"I'm not so much arguing the specifics of this case, but the basic underlying belief some men seem to have that a woman accusing a man of rape brought it on herself. In past, present, and future posts, it's always the same dumbass argument, and it gets old." --FleaJo

Well, let's discuss the specifics of the case. Item #1: She is a stripper. Item #2: She didn't bring a bouncer/muscle/enforcer to keep the guys off her.

As to her being a stripper it is her express intent to arouse males for the purpose of making money. Which leads to my second point, which is that by not having a pimp/rocked up boyfriend there-- and due to her experiences from bing a stripper --she should have known the probable outcomes from her profession. That being, it is a reasonable assumption that she is a prostitute.

All of which brings me to my conclusion: Stripping without muscle watching over you or acting as a witness to the good or bad behavior of her clients is an act and decision that a reasonable person can say will lead to "rape." (I place the quotation marks around the word because there is considerable doubt as to whether a prostitute can truly be raped.) In her situation, what allegedly happened can be chalked up as an occupational hazard, much like a drug dealer or gang member can reasonably expect to be assaulted or killed in their short stint as a criminal.

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#43 Apr 18 2006 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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"I'm not so much arguing the specifics of this case, but the basic underlying belief some men seem to have that a woman accusing a man of rape brought it on herself. In past, present, and future posts, it's always the same dumbass argument, and it gets old." --FleaJo

Well, let's discuss the specifics of the case. Item #1: She is a stripper. Item #2: She didn't bring a bouncer/muscle/enforcer to keep the guys off her.

As to her being a stripper it is her express intent to arouse males for the purpose of making money. Which leads to my second point, which is that by not having a pimp/rocked up boyfriend there-- and due to her experiences from bing a stripper --she should have known the probable outcomes from her profession. That being, it is a reasonable assumption that she is a prostitute.

All of which brings me to my conclusion: Stripping without muscle watching over you or acting as a witness to the good or bad behavior of her clients is an act and decision that a reasonable person can say will lead to "rape." (I place the quotation marks around the word because there is considerable doubt as to whether a prostitute can truly be raped.) In her situation, what allegedly happened can be chalked up as an occupational hazard, much like a drug dealer or gang member can reasonably expect to be assaulted or killed in their short stint as a criminal.

Totem


I was following you up until the bolded section. Any time someone is forced into having unwanted sex, it's rape. It shouldn't matter if the woman is a stripper, *****, nun, mother of 3 or a 14 year old girl.

I understand what Flea and Sam are talking about also. Blaming rape on the woman tends to be a knee-jerk reaction. A woman has the right to wear or act the way she wants to without having to worry about rape. Placing any blame on the woman decriminalizes the act of rape and the rapist.

This woman is however, a *****. She's a golddigger crying wolf. I used to work for a strip club at the door. Those girls don’t go anywhere without a man by their side.


Edited, Tue Apr 18 14:23:39 2006 by fenderputy
#44 Apr 18 2006 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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Incorrect, fenderputty. The rape of a prostitute is just an unfinished business deal. By way of example, can you truly be stealing from a drug dealer if what you are taking is illegal in the first place? It goes to the whole "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" kind of thing. If a crime occurs against a criminal but the offense is taken in the commission of another illegal action, can it truly be called a crime?

I'd say no.

And in that light, the rape of a prositutue is simply an uncompleted transaction. Kinda like shoplifting as it were.

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#45 Apr 18 2006 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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Flea wrote:
I'm not so much arguing the specifics of this case


Totem wrote:
Well, let's discuss the specifics of the case


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#46 Apr 18 2006 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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Incorrect, fenderputty. The rape of a prostitute is just an unfinished business deal. By way of example, can you truly be stealing from a drug dealer if what you are taking is illegal in the first place? It goes to the whole "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" kind of thing. If a crime occurs against a criminal but the offense is taken in the commission of another illegal action, can it truly be called a crime?

I'd say no.

And in that light, the rape of a prositutue is simply an uncompleted transaction. Kinda like shoplifting as it were.

Totem


If you're going by that logic, then what, a woman's body is an illegal substance? For the act to be illegal, the woman must have already accepted money for the act of sex, in which case yes, its not going to be rape. But unless she accepts money for it, then its either consensual sex, or rape.
#47 Apr 18 2006 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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The reason for that is, FleaJo, is that under normal civilized behavior unwanted and forced sexual intercourse with a woman is rape. However, those circumstances do not apply to this particular thread or situation. She is a prostitute. She has two kids. She is out earning money by soliciting sex from a large group of men. Sex allegedly occured. She wanted more $ than the 400 bones she was paid. The large group of men kick her to the curb, so to speak. Note that the other girl didn't have these problems. Why? Is it because she could kick 20-30 men's a$$es? I don't think so. I think it's because she was content with the deal that was offered.

Some mother, huh? Let's just hope she wasn't taking business classes at NCCU, because so far she's failing the practical application of her lessons.

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#48 Apr 18 2006 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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She did, Eske. $400 in twenty dollar denominations.

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#49 Apr 18 2006 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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She did, Eske. $400 in twenty dollar denominations.

Totem


Though I suspect that you're wrong, I'm not familiar enough with the case to go toe-to-toe on that one, so I'll let it be.

But I take issue with your 'prostitute =/= rape' logic. It's misguided and flawed in general.
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Totem wrote:

And in that light, the rape of a prositutue is simply an uncompleted transaction. Kinda like shoplifting as it were.

Totem



Shoplifting is a crime.
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#51 Apr 18 2006 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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The rape of a prostitute is just an unfinished business deal. By way of example, can you truly be stealing from a drug dealer if what you are taking is illegal in the first place? It goes to the whole "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" kind of thing. If a crime occurs against a criminal but the offense is taken in the commission of another illegal action, can it truly be called a crime?



Yes, it was her bad decision that lead up to the events, and it was also thos guys choice to rape her.(If it happened)

It seems like your saying, a guy has the right to rape if she "looks like she asking for it". Its not well you look like a good f'ck, so I have free reign over your body cause your showing cleavage and have on a mini skirt.

If a drug dealer is beaten to death by cops, it is still wrong. The cops aren't in the right because he was a drug dealer. Both sides are at fualt in this situation, if it is true.

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This woman is however, a *****. She's a golddigger crying wolf. I used to work for a strip club at the door. Those girls don’t go anywhere without a man by their side.


Exactly, thats why I was like her story seems shaky, because it was only her and her friend, so it seems like they were there for something else besides dancing. She played the race card, which is stupid, which further more to me discredits her story. If it did happen, I dont think the rape was deserved, but she sure did make a bad decision.

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She is out earning money by soliciting sex from a large group of men.


Are you saying that being a stipper in general is soliciting sex? If so, I can't recall ever going to a stip club and having a girl tell me "Ill f'ck you for X amount if dollars", they are there for me to look at there goodies and nothing more.

~If she had been known to solicit sex, then yes I would say she brought it on herself, still wouldnt make the rape exceptable if it happened. She put herself in a bad situation, and possible dealt with the consequences. Nothing justifies rape.

Edited, Tue Apr 18 14:53:39 2006 by kalaria

Edited, Tue Apr 18 14:52:34 2006 by kalaria
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