fhrugby wrote:
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the big G wrote:
Do you see how patriotism is completely contained *within* the definition of nationalism?
Reading the defintions referenced, it is Nationalism that is a subset of Patriotism, not the other way around. ie Nationalism is one step further than Patriotism
Kinda depends on how you look at subsets.
Nationalism includes:
- Love of country
- Believe in a set of "commonalities that defines "nation" (ie: culture, language, ethnicity, etc).
- Believes that their country is better then other countries (generally because of the above commonalities).
Patriotism includes:
- Love of country
Thus, it's correct to say that patriotism is a subset of nationalism. Let me caveat that. There's nothing that says you can't have love of country outside of nationalism (intersecting sets if you will), but assuming one is a patriot, and is living in a modern "nation-state" (which does match Nobby's conditions, right?), then it is absolutely correct to say that one's patriotism is a subset of one's nationalism, even if they don't personally believe it.
Now maybe Nobby is some true out-there thinker, and is a patriot for reasons having nothing to do with the structure, history, and other commonalities of the country he happens to live in, but I find that unlikely. He professes to love his country. A country that is defined by the very nationalism he *claims* to despise.
So. Either he's a bit nutty, or he doesn't really understand what nationalism is. I gave him the benefit of the doubt...