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Obese children would be permitted to have stomach surgery under new guidelines being proposed by the NHS treatment watchdog.
Oh my god.
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Oh my god.
Oh my god.
#2REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 18 2006 at 4:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't think thats right. God gave children their ways for a reason...
Well I am just stunned that parents who obviously do not control their childrens diets and feed them junk, are not blamed and educated to stop the children ever being obese in the first place.
Prevention is always better than the cure.
There is just no responsiblity these days .....
One TV programme here, shamed parents. Parents with obese children were invited to go on the TV show where experts would change the lifestyle and diets of the family to prevent the children staying obese. In near all cases, the parents were shown what they were doing to their children with their lifestyle and diets, and how their children would look by age 50.
So many parents just cried, so upset that they were literally killing their children, setting them up for an obese and miserable life. The programme did not make excuses "You are killing your child" were the words used.
In most cases, the familes changed their lifestyles and foods and they saw dramatic changes in the children.
Maybe that should be taught to all obese childrens parents ....
Prevention is always better than the cure.
There is just no responsiblity these days .....
One TV programme here, shamed parents. Parents with obese children were invited to go on the TV show where experts would change the lifestyle and diets of the family to prevent the children staying obese. In near all cases, the parents were shown what they were doing to their children with their lifestyle and diets, and how their children would look by age 50.
So many parents just cried, so upset that they were literally killing their children, setting them up for an obese and miserable life. The programme did not make excuses "You are killing your child" were the words used.
In most cases, the familes changed their lifestyles and foods and they saw dramatic changes in the children.
Maybe that should be taught to all obese childrens parents ....
JennockFV wrote:
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Oh my god.
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Obese children would be permitted to have stomach surgery under new guidelines being proposed by the NHS treatment watchdog.
Oh my god.
I hate you... This will probably turn into a thread about me.
#5REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 18 2006 at 4:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree, it's the parents decision to make sure their kids are healthy. Now I don't feel as though skinny means healthy, but a child should never be big that his or her health comes into risk. And what is up with everyone blamming music, movies, and the media for the state of minds that kids are in today? I suppose if you think about it you could say that by having access to more mature content then the mind develops more mature thoughts quicker, maybe. So by being exposed to sex, drugs, graphic violence and things of that nature, they begin to associate themsleves with those things, or not. I know plenty of kids and teens who have full knowlege of what goes on in the world and don't have anything wrong with them. So how can we figure out what is influencing more kids to become the way that some of them are?
#6REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 18 2006 at 4:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's always easier to let the children watch t.v., and to give them the twinkie to prevent their cries, especially when they are small, because the parent wants to do their own thing. Now i'm not blaming anyone... we've all done it on occasion. You have plans, so and so is coming over, or the babysittter is almost here; but when it becomes habit, now thats when it becomes someones fault. i dunno, i feel like im preaching.
#7REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 18 2006 at 4:57 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Imma go get a sammich, I'll be back later :)
#8REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 18 2006 at 5:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kids are a special breed. they absorb knoledge so quickly. I was raised in an environment that withheld nothing. My mother was involved in drugs, etc. I hacked into the cable company, and got all the channels. I'll tell ya, that was a highlight of my young life., finally breaking the channels, i think i was like 11. I had all of the sex and violence channels etc.. This is how it influenced me. I knew all about sex, etc. and violence, it didn't phase me. I was also introverted to the extreme. I had a god complex. my philosophy was, o well if it doesnt work i'll die. I would not accept any authority. Now i got lucky, and had many many ppl who believed in me, i got a job, learned responsibility, and here i am. but i garuantee, most kids dont get that, and they fail horribly, die and/or suffer before they die. This isnt how it works every time, but it's something to watch out for. Anyway, i hope this helps someone.
JennockFV wrote:
Maybe that should be taught to all obese childrens parents ....
PS My personal solution for obese kids would be a swift surgical procedure that sheds about 5lbs just above the shoulders.
100% effective.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
cdh wrote:
Kids are a special breed. they absorb knoledge so quickly.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
#11REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 18 2006 at 5:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I am just wondering, but is spelling a requirement to express a mature and intellectual opinion?
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no, u could be brilliant, and be a 'genius'. and still not know how to spel.
Edited, Sat Mar 18 06:01:21 2006 by cdh
Edited, Sat Mar 18 06:01:21 2006 by cdh
#13REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 18 2006 at 6:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I was asking in jest, most people in forums don't take long too try to use spelling as a method to down someone, so when they made fun of you, I asked that question in your defense.
GrandInvictu wrote:
I am just wondering, but is spelling a requirement to express a mature and intellectual opinion?
What's helpful in your case is that the inability to express anything vaguely approaching mature or intellectual is an even bigger clue.
The worst thing than an idiot is the idiot who thinks they are smart.
Die now. You have my blessing.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
#15REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 19 2006 at 5:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just becuase my content doesn't interest you, doesn't mean I am dumb.
Don't like it? too bad! You can either shut up about the whole "just becuz i cant spell right doesnt mean im stoopid" argument, or you can go to THIS forum and leave me the hell alone. Either way, learn to spell and grow a pair if you ever expect to get a serious reply here.
The BBC wrote:
Dr Ian Campbell, an obesity specialist in Nottingham, said surgery and medication had to be considered for some children.
"There are more children who have exhausted all treatment options and who are suffering from uncontrollable diabetes or at risk of heart failure because of their obesity.
"Surgery can be the only option left."
He said that, in the last 12 months, he had heard of one child in Sheffield and another in Glasgow having stomach surgery.
Dr Campbell added: "There is no suggestion surgery should be a commonplace procedure.
"Surgery - and drug treatment - would only be used when all other measures were exhausted."
"There are more children who have exhausted all treatment options and who are suffering from uncontrollable diabetes or at risk of heart failure because of their obesity.
"Surgery can be the only option left."
He said that, in the last 12 months, he had heard of one child in Sheffield and another in Glasgow having stomach surgery.
Dr Campbell added: "There is no suggestion surgery should be a commonplace procedure.
"Surgery - and drug treatment - would only be used when all other measures were exhausted."
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Anyone who thinks obese children is simply a matter of too many twinkies and tv, doesn't understand eating disorders. Obesity is a result of an internal struggle and many, many times severe depression. Taking away the twinkies will help the weight issue, increasing exercise will help the depression issue, but if you do not attend to the deeper "why" that a child finds comfort in these things you will never solve the problem. Lifestyle changes have to take on all aspects of the person's life not just tv and eating habits.
To blame parents seems lame. Who do we blame for obese adults? Their parents? No. It is an internal issue, which is where treatment has to begin.
Seamy
Edited, Sun Mar 19 20:33:36 2006 by Rodth
To blame parents seems lame. Who do we blame for obese adults? Their parents? No. It is an internal issue, which is where treatment has to begin.
Seamy
Edited, Sun Mar 19 20:33:36 2006 by Rodth
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Don't like it? too bad! You can either shut up about the whole "just becuz i cant spell right doesnt mean im stoopid" argument, or you can go to THIS forum and leave me the hell alone. Either way, learn to spell and grow a pair if you ever expect to get a serious reply here.
Sending cdh to OOT thats a little on the mean side... but completely deserved.
Oh and fat kids plus trampolines equals a less obese ****.
Or a broken trampoline and some funny as hell home movies.
Sir Rodth wrote:
Anyone who thinks obese children is simply a matter of too many twinkies and tv, doesn't understand eating disorders. Obesity is a result of an internal struggle and many, many times severe depression.
Obesity is caused by too much food and too little exercise.
Sure, that is sometimes a result of depression or an eating disorder, but are you telling me that all skinny people are anorexic?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
No, just well adjusted. 
If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Then find someone that life has given vodka and have party.
This establishment does not serve women. You must bring your own.
This establishment does not serve women. You must bring your own.
So what about us skinny depressed people?
The only time I been over weigbt was when the doctor but me on antytripline and I suddely found myself eating twice what I ate normally.
At the rate I been losing weight lately, I should be back to what I weigth 20 years ago in no time.
Then at 111 pounds, I couldn't gain an ounce if I wanted to.
Jonwins saids I could always get a few inches all the time.
The only time I been over weigbt was when the doctor but me on antytripline and I suddely found myself eating twice what I ate normally.
At the rate I been losing weight lately, I should be back to what I weigth 20 years ago in no time.
Then at 111 pounds, I couldn't gain an ounce if I wanted to.
Jonwins saids I could always get a few inches all the time.
In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair! -ElneClare
This Post is written in Elnese, If it was an actual Post, it would make sense.
This Post is written in Elnese, If it was an actual Post, it would make sense.
/slaps the danish out of Nobby's hand
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Fat parents - Fat kids.... is a general rule... and its not genetic ******** - its eating HABITS. Parents teach kids their own eating habits and the kids learn from there.
It makes me sad to see a properly obese 8 year old that is destined for adulthood obesity. The kid has no choices in what they get to eat and they are having potential life-long (or "life-short") habits formed.
To the poster that mentioned eating disorders, I fully agree that both over-eating and anorexic or bolemic disorders the root of the problem can be deeper than just "eat less twinkies", but the % of countries like USA and UK that have clinically obese people is HUGE. If all these people have eating disorders rooted from psychological or spiritual problems then the these countries need severe cultural shake-ups.
It makes me sad to see a properly obese 8 year old that is destined for adulthood obesity. The kid has no choices in what they get to eat and they are having potential life-long (or "life-short") habits formed.
To the poster that mentioned eating disorders, I fully agree that both over-eating and anorexic or bolemic disorders the root of the problem can be deeper than just "eat less twinkies", but the % of countries like USA and UK that have clinically obese people is HUGE. If all these people have eating disorders rooted from psychological or spiritual problems then the these countries need severe cultural shake-ups.
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