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#27 Mar 07 2006 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Are you retarded?

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Actually no she wasnt, Hattie Mcdaniel was first Black Woman to win an Oscar for best Actress in a leading role


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Hi-hat-Hattie had been nominated for Best Supporting Actress. By far the loudest ovation of the evening went to Hattie McDaniel as she won the Oscar, and became the first African American performer to win one.


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Hi-hat-Hattie had been nominated for Best Supporting Actress. By far the loudest ovation of the evening went to Hattie McDaniel as she won the Oscar, and became the first African American performer to win one.


First to win an oscar, but not for Best Actress.

Furthermore separate but equal did not/does not work. It creates divisions and is generally destructive. I don't think it can be stated more plainly than that.
#28 Mar 07 2006 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so Hattie won it for supporting actress.

Did you not read WHY they have the NAACP awards? You dont give a damn, because if you did you take the time out to understand WHY they have it. The awards are not just for Black people, read the damn History, before giving me that seperate but equal ****, know what you are talking about.

WHY THEY HAVE NAACP AWARDS:

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Presented annually, the NAACP Image Awards is the nation’s premier event celebrating the outstanding achievements and performances of people of color in the arts as well as those individuals or groups who promote social justice.

The NAACP Image Awards are an exciting, star-studded salute to the best in entertainment. Honorees, presenters and performers have included many of the major celebrities in America as well as international political figures and dignitaries. There are 36 competitive categories in the fields of motion picture, television, music and literature. There are also several honorary awards including the Chairman’s Award, The President’s Award and The Image Awards Hall of Fame.


So promoting social justice is bad? God forbid there be EQUALITY, damn you think you know what is unfair, walk a mile in my shoes, you'd be running back to your own.Presented annually, the NAACP Image Awards is the nation’s premier event celebrating the outstanding achievements and performances of people of color in the arts as well as those individuals or groups who promote social justice.

Edited, Tue Mar 7 14:48:19 2006 by kalaria
#29 Mar 07 2006 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Where's the NCACP (Caucasion(Sp?)) awards? NLACP (Latin) awards?

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#30 Mar 07 2006 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought being white was it's own reward.


/sigh..I think your the only one who can at least understand where I am coming from..
#31 Mar 07 2006 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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What great movies were done up by some black people that are viewed as having been passed over for just being by black people?
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#32 Mar 07 2006 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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#33 Mar 07 2006 at 6:56 PM Rating: Good
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kalaria wrote:
So promoting social justice is bad? God forbid there be EQUALITY, damn you think you know what is unfair, walk a mile in my shoes, you'd be running back to your own.Presented annually, the NAACP Image Awards is the nation’s premier event celebrating the outstanding achievements and performances of people of color in the arts as well as those individuals or groups who promote social justice.


I think the point you are missing is that a lot of people don't see this show as "promoting social justice". Get it?


Quoting the NAACP's description of the award show only tells us what they say it's about. Those of us who disagree 100% with the very concept of an awards show blatantly designed to reward only people of "color" simply don't agree with the NAACP's bright and cheery description. We see it as a tool of racial divisiveness. We see it as a symptom of the problem, and not a solution.



The logic (or lack thereof) is pretty typical of failed social equality arguments. You can't look at the end result statistics and determine fairness from them. No more then you can say that because a given team playing a sport has never won a championship that the rules of the game are unfair. You'd *never* argue that we should change the rules of football to ensure that teams that have historically failed to win should be given an advantage, would you? You'd think it was silly to have a "special playoff series" for those teams, wouldn't you (complete with continual lamenting about the unfairness of the rest of the NFL that these teams didn't get to the real playoffs). Yet, you seem to think that's a perfectly logical way to approach social issues.


Guess what? It's just as silly with regards to an awards show. Heck. It's *more* silly. There's nothing wrong with fighting for inclusion. That's a good thing. But declaring something to be racist because there isn't a correct ratio of black winners in that field? How about changing the field itself instead of making your own award show? I just can't see how anyone can think that the NAACP awards will *ever* fix the problems in the rest of the film industry. Arguably, it's put black actors even more into a separate catagory and made it harder for them to improve their position with the rest of the industry. Black studios producing "black films" for black audiencies (Spike Lee's a great example of this). And they wonder why they don't get recognition? Gee... I wonder...
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#34 Mar 07 2006 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Presented annually, the NAACP Image Awards is the nation’s premier event celebrating the outstanding achievements and performances of people of color in the arts as well as those individuals or groups who promote social justice.


Just because you say somthing doesn't make it so nor does it change what it is.

Edit: Gbaji beat me to the puch, even though he typed about fiddy times as many words.

Edited, Tue Mar 7 18:58:28 2006 by AngryUndead
#35 Mar 07 2006 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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kalaria wrote:

I understand what you are saying, but the Award shows for Black people are to make things even, because some award shows are not fairly presented to include all great actors no matter what race. But, some award shows will nominate Black actors and/or movies, but the majority of the actual awards for leading roles will go to mostly white people. I mean I wish things were fair, but the truth is we are far from it sadly. :( Maybe in 20 yrs things will be different.


I can't say much more than what Gbaji put, but I will add that:

Of course, as you put it "the majority of the actual awards for leading roles will go to mostly white people" simply by the ratio of white to black actors and actresses. If that ratio were indicative of the white to black population of the US (which I doubt it is) then the odds of having a black win the award would statistically be lower. Which they tend to be, right?

Though I'd nominate Denzel every time, heh. He was pretty cool in Training Day.

Edited, Tue Mar 7 19:16:27 2006 by Eske
#36 Mar 07 2006 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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"The Brothers" and "Brown Sugar", two movies Kalaria suggested were in response to my statement of my ignorance of many movies starring black actors in the past year, do not seem to have occured in the past year, which makes it somewhat irrelevant I would think.

"The Best Man" looks to have happened in the past year though doing a google search on the director and name of the movie makes it seem as though it's a british romantic comedy starring more anglo-saxon sorts rather than any black actors.

I didn't mean to say there has never been a good movie containing black actors, I was saying that over the past few years there have been few movies deviating from more stereotypical roles in order to create a more dependable movie popularity-wise.

Edited, Tue Mar 7 20:03:07 2006 by Vensuvio
#37 Mar 07 2006 at 8:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Why does everything have to come back to descrimination? If a black actor gets passed over for an award, why does it always have to be because he's black? Is it imposable that there was simply someone more deserving? If a "black movie" isn't made best picture, it's because the judges are racist, of course. A similar example of this just happened with Brokeback Mountain. It failed to win best picture and the director said in an interview that they only didn't win because the cowboys were gay. Not that there was a better movie made, but the people are homophobic. There always has to be an excuse.
#38 Mar 07 2006 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the point you are missing is that a lot of people don't see this show as "promoting social justice". Get it?


Oh, ok I see now. The point that I am trying to make is that why is is so hard to believe that the discrimination happens among certain award shows? I know that it is not all, but some.
The NAACP awards is to celebrate us and our culture, that is also inclusive of "Black" Television some shows and/or movies that would have been excluded or not appear in the same category as its white counter parts. Just because you think that the show does not promote social justice does not mean it doesn't. Like I said times are better, but there is still much that has to be done, because there are still people that will not like someone because they are black, thats all I am saying.

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Ideas and images create the belief systems that control our individual and societal actions. When it comes to forming ideas, reinforcing stereotypes, establishing norms and shaping our thinking nothing affects us more than the images and concepts delivered into our lives on a daily basis by television and film. Accordingly there is ample cause for concern about what does or does not happen on television when there is little or no diversity in either opportunities or the decision making process.


The show also promotes POSITIVE images of Black people, because most of what you see on television Black people are most of the time represented by "hood" characters. So it gives the younger black audience and America a chance to see that not all Black people act how society makes Black people seem. We are a minority, and as a minority we are missrepresented by a constant flow of negative images. If a person can not understand where a Black person is coming from regarding discrimination, then they can not argue about what is fair.

I might be mixed with different races, but I am still considered Black. I would still get nasty looks, or someone would feel threatend by my presence, where as a white person would not get them, because of their race. Of course their are people that may not like a person because they are white, but
white people run America, they have the upper hand, so I dont see why their is a complaint about an award show that is mosty Black.

We already have one month, to try and figure out our history. My family tree stops at middle 1800's, with some of my relatives being someone's property, like they were an animal. White people have a History, they can find out a **** load of information were they come from. So many familes were seperated during slavery it is hard to find out. Yeah, the guy from roots did it, but that is rare most of the people in his family we still alive.

Most of the ones in my family are gone. The only History about me I know of is the white part of my family who is from Ireland, thats it. I tried with my Black side, nothing but a paper chase. So I do not feel guilty about having something that celebrates a part of who I am as well as promoting equality. If the award shows that promote positive Black Images, and give the awards were they are justly do, is so offensive then start a group and try to have it shut down.

You have a history, allow me to create my mine, I want my son to grow up and be able to look back see what Black people have done, positive things, and we purposly put out positive images, instead of letting someone else poorly depict who we are, amd our culture.

Edited, Tue Mar 7 21:18:01 2006 by kalaria
#39 Mar 07 2006 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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Why does everything have to come back to descrimination? If a black actor gets passed over for an award, why does it always have to be because he's black? Is it imposable that there was simply someone more deserving? If a "black movie" isn't made best picture, it's because the judges are racist, of course. A similar example of this just happened with Brokeback Mountain. It failed to win best picture and the director said in an interview that they only didn't win because the cowboys were gay. Not that there was a better movie made, but the people are homophobic. There always has to be an excuse.


It just comes down to people not wanting to accept that maybe they just weren't that popular because they just weren't that good.

Brokeback just seems like a somewhat extreme of stereotypical archetypes that having it win such an award would be more depressing than anything else.
#40 Mar 07 2006 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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it just comes down to people not wanting to accept that maybe they just weren't that popular because they just weren't that good.


lol, I am no way advocating awards just being given to a person just because they are Black. That statement is horrific, and proves my point on how people that think like that, have no idea what Black people go through everyday. So really this is a dead end discussion, because I cant make anyone understand where I am coming from, unless they are willing to learn.

to think that in some award show the judges arent racists is crazy. There are people are racist every where including hollywood.
#41 Mar 07 2006 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I have one question for the people who responded to my posts.

Would people were able to swith races, would you want to be Black? or would you stay the same race that you are?

If so why? If not why? Please answer truthfully.
#42 Mar 07 2006 at 9:32 PM Rating: Good
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Or, maybe Hotel Rwanda? It was also up for multiple awards. While it didn't win Best actor at either the Academy or Image awards, Best actor was taken by Jamie Foxx for Ray in both cases.

Oh. And Morgan Freeman won best supporting actor in 2005 as well.

Given that Blacks represent roughly 13% of the population, I'd say that at least in recent years, they've won a relatively proportional percentage of the "big" actor awards.

Statistically, of the four big actor awards at the Oscars, you'd expect one to go to a black actor/actress every other year. Of the last 5 years, we had none this year, 2 last year, none in 2004, none in 2003, and 2 in 2002. That's 4 out of 20, or 20%. That's *higher* then the statistics based on population...

Now admittedly, there were none in those catagories in the previous 5 years, and only one in the 5 years prior to that. But the point is that the Oscars clearly are not ignoring these actors. If anything, the greater problem is a lack of film producers putting black actors in major roles in major films. Interestingly enough, black actors have a very high win to nomination ratio in the Oscars. The problem isn't that the award show is biased, but that the film industry as a whole is. So the "solution" shouldn't be putting on a different awards show. It should be fixing the problems with the film industry that relegate black actors to second rate films (or, more correctly to non-dramatic roles, which tend to not win Oscards).
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#43 Mar 07 2006 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem isn't that the award show is biased, but that the film industry as a whole is. So the "solution" shouldn't be putting on a different awards show. It should be fixing the problems with the film industry that relegate black actors to second rate films (or, more correctly to non-dramatic roles, which tend to not win Oscards).


Ok, I guess i was wording it wrong, thats what I was trying to say, but my words did not come out correctly. But, there is still a purpose as I have stated above. If like you said the industry was different, things would be different, but sadly its easier said then done. Anyone can win an award at the NAACP awards. Now if you would have said BET, then I would agree, BET is very exclusive, it pisses me off sometimes. They ake it seem like only black people like Hip-hop, or R&B, and also make it seem like Black people dont listen to rock, or alternative music.
#44 Mar 07 2006 at 9:47 PM Rating: Decent
I've noticed a trend in Kalaria's posts where you capitalize the words black and white but leave "people" lower case. What up with that, G?
#45 Mar 07 2006 at 9:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I've noticed a trend in Kalaria's posts where you capitalize the words black and white but leave "people" lower case. What up with that, G?


-.-, I love you too. lol
#46 Mar 07 2006 at 9:55 PM Rating: Decent
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#47 Mar 07 2006 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
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kalaria wrote:
Anyone can win an award at the NAACP awards.



So... If it's the "special olympics" of awards shows, is the implication about black performers espoused by the awards really a positive one?

Think about it. It's really *not* a positive social tool. It's negative.
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#48 Mar 07 2006 at 10:38 PM Rating: Good
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kalaria wrote:
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it just comes down to people not wanting to accept that maybe they just weren't that popular because they just weren't that good.


lol, I am no way advocating awards just being given to a person just because they are Black. That statement is horrific, and proves my point on how people that think like that, have no idea what Black people go through everyday. So really this is a dead end discussion, because I cant make anyone understand where I am coming from, unless they are willing to learn.


My statement was more in reference to Brokeback and to a lesser extent general claims of prejudicial treatment.

It seems as though you don't understand that "seperate, but equal" has already been tried and found to be a poor practice. As well you seem to claim that there is racism in the award show yet don't seem to want to put up examples for your arguement as to what has been passed over due to race.

If you can't actually show a situation where racism could be found to be a possibility then claiming racism isn't going to do much good.

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to think that in some award show the judges arent racists is crazy. There are people are racist every where including hollywood.


This comment seems a bit like the red scare. With having racists under your bed ready to snatch you up and such. I'm not sure if it's poor grammar, but the comment would seem to suggest you believe that people should assume that in any panel of judges there is a racist.
#49 Mar 07 2006 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
kalaria wrote:
I have one question for the people who responded to my posts.

Would people were able to swith races, would you want to be Black? or would you stay the same race that you are?

If so why? If not why? Please answer truthfully.


I'de probably change to white. Most of my friends are anyway as well as me being an oreo as is clearly illustrated in this post. Smiley: grin

there are other reasons but no one cares anyway. If you really do PM me. Smiley: lol

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#50 Mar 07 2006 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem isn't that the award show is biased, but that the film industry as a whole is. So the "solution" shouldn't be putting on a different awards show. It should be fixing the problems with the film industry that relegate black actors to second rate films (or, more correctly to non-dramatic roles, which tend to not win Oscards).


What he said is what I was trying to say, I just said some award shows without further clarifying further even though some are, but it is mostly what is said in the quote above me.

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This comment seems a bit like the red scare. With having racists under your bed ready to snatch you up and such. I'm not sure if it's poor grammar, but the comment would seem to suggest you believe that people should assume that in any panel of judges there is a racist.


Oh, no I do not mean that I'm not saying that thwe whole world is out get Black people. I'm just saying what I said above. Also yes I do think that some judges are biased or they just dont understand the culture, by I absolutly do not think there is one in every panel. I'm just saying it happens sometimes.

Edited, Tue Mar 7 23:41:00 2006 by kalaria
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