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#27 Feb 23 2006 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
19 you say? Send her my way for a weekend, I'll make her completely forget about Skeeve. Yeah baby. Smiley: sly


Or send her my way and I'll do my best to turn both of us into lesbianetarians. Smiley: tongue

In all honesty though, what's the guy's MySpace page?
#28 Feb 23 2006 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
19 you say? Send her my way for a weekend, I'll make her completely forget about Skeeve. Yeah baby. Smiley: sly


Or send her my way and I'll do my best to turn both of us into lesbianetarians. Smiley: tongue

In all honesty though, what's the guy's MySpace page?
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#29 Feb 23 2006 at 8:28 PM Rating: Good
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Bang her. Nobody want's to marry the kind of girl that bangs her cousin. Problem solved.
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#30 Feb 23 2006 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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Bang her. Nobody want's to marry the kind of girl that bangs her cousin. Problem solved.
Isn't that a prerequisite in some of the southern states?


#31 Feb 23 2006 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
Lord xythex wrote:
Bang her. Nobody want's to marry the kind of girl that bangs her cousin. Problem solved.
Isn't that a prerequisite in some of the southern states?

I believe West Virginia is considered to be in the mid-Atlantic region...
#32 Feb 23 2006 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
You are obligated by your blood relation to this child to give her your opinion.

I suggest that you preface it with, "You're grown and can make your own decision, but from the outside looking in..." and then let her have it. when you're done, STFU about the matter and unless she brings it up don't mention it again. That includes "I told you sos" when she goes ahead anyway and Skeeve turns out to be about as useful as a spoonful of pudding in a knifefight.

Having watched my own younger cousin pick out the absolute biggest loser I've ever had the pleasure of knowing (and that's some prize, let me tell you) simply because nobody approved of him, I can say that it's not the worst thing that can happen. I mean this guy was such a screwup that two crippled kids used to pick on him....succesfully. They actually physically picked on him. On top of that, he wound up being arrested for theft, the pot, then crack, then theft, and some other things. I lost track.

The worst thing that can happen is that you can let it make a damn to you what someone else does to ruin their own life. I'm probably the only one in the extended family who didn't go out of my way to point out what a screwup she'd picked out. I'm also probably the only one she would talk to these days. Not that I would reciprocate. She's pretty screwed up as well. Got a kid (or maybe two), claims she's a **** now, and I know she's gotta be on a few different drugs. I've blacksheeped her from my mental list of family. Point is, if everyone would have had their say one time and then shut up, she'd have probably dumped him in a month or two instead of staying with him for a few years and going irreversibly down the wrong track.
#33 Feb 24 2006 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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I doubt very much that she will change her mind and not marry him based on your recommendation, but when this relationship falls apart - and it will - she will remember that you warned her not to make a huge mistake.

+1 Winger

Skeeve, huh? I'm pretty sure I dated him when I was 19 too.

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#34 Feb 24 2006 at 8:20 AM Rating: Decent
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If you have an ounce of charisma, you would try to make her think twice.


If this loser can talk her into marrying, surely you can talk her into thinking he's a loser.
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#38 Feb 24 2006 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
That's one way to get to 10k, Angsty.
#40 Feb 24 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'll see if I can track down the MySpace; my cousin gave it to me awhile ago, I know I sure as hell didn't bookmark it, but maybe I can get it from her again if I pretend to be interested in her hubby-to-be.

I did have a talk with her last night. I laid it out plainly. I think she can do a lot better, and I feel she'd be better off waiting. I immediately got lambasted with the "It's my life, it's my decision" bullsh[gold][/gold]it.

I reminded her that I got married at 20 and was divorced at 22 - reminded her that I am not her parents - told her that I am not an adversary. That quieted her down a bit. I think she's really used to rebelling against anything/everything close to hand.

I told her, regardless of what she opts to do, I wish her luck. Said my piece and did what I could. Thanks for the perspectives above.



Now that the somber moment is over, she's still getting married today. The guy still sucks ***. I was slightly wrong in my data above, allow me to correct:

- he's 29, not 26.

- he actually has a job. Clerk in a **** store ftw. The job is quite new, though; I'm betting it doesn't last.

- he moved out of mom's basement; now lives in a trailer, with his dad. Which is where the newlyweds will live, as even with both their incomes they can't afford any place of their own.

- reason for this being the magic day was because they decided earlier this week (Tuesday) to get married. My cousin's dad asked that they at least postpone 'til Saturday so he could get back in town to attend (he does surveying work and is often traveling). Cousin gave him the same "it's my life/my decision/blah blah I'm a nasty little *****" speech.

- their honeymoon? I figured WalMart (supercenters are open 24hrs and there are some awfully nice lawn chairs to lie on in the garden center), but I have actually been one-upped. They're going out to a larpy Amtgard thing in Texas (Spring War) where they'll have a "second wedding ceremony". An RP wedding ceremony.


On a plus note, while I haven't had a chance to call my brother yet, I did get my mom in on the pool. She figures six months, max.

I had to ask about an acceptible wedding gift - I figured alcohol and a coat hanger, for before and after, but Mom felt that was a bit extreme. Settling on a card with some McDonalds gift certificates inside. Can't have them going hungry now that they're starting out married life!

Smiley: disappointed

Edited, Fri Feb 24 11:50:02 2006 by Wingchild
#41 Feb 24 2006 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good


Oh my...I have a friend who I have known all my life who is dating a total loser. Then he decided he was a vampire and convinced her she was as well. Weird as hell...I have no idea how to respond to something so crazy. I tend to refrain from bringing it up in conversation.

#43 Feb 24 2006 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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Wingchild wrote:
They're going out to a larpy Amtgard thing in Texas (Spring War) where they'll have a "second wedding ceremony". An RP wedding ceremony.


I actually have a friend who's big into Amtgard and coincidentally he lives in Texas and I think he said he was going to some big Amtgard shindig in March. I wonder if this is it. Smiley: laugh I'll have to ask him.

Can I get into that pool? Put me down for 14 months. I'm being optimistic. Smiley: yippee
#44 Feb 24 2006 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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If I did that sort of sh*t to my family, I'd be on my own permanently.

I wish it were that way in my family. My grandparents were always too soft-hearted though; wherever their kids screwed up, they tried to help out.

An uncle of mine has done nothing with his life - married a vile, manipulative *****, had a couple of kids by her, generally did nothing and went nowhere. My grandparents tried to bail them out a few times. Sometimes they sent money (they frittered it away). Once they even bought a piece of property and put a house on it for them (they destroyed it; stupid ***** got in an argument with my uncle, decided driving her car through the wall was a reasoned, rational response, etc).

Wherever they stumble, my grandparents would try to help them out. It's their son. Not having kids of my own, I can't understand it.


The grandparents have been too good about taking care of us grandkids, too. My uncle's two sons have been handed money on the side as they try to get established in life (one's a violent sociopath, the other's just a born loser - working on his second wife now at 24, think he's doing security for a dept store). My aunt's oldest daughter (the cousin referenced above) has been given money, sold a car at next to no cost, etc., to try and help get her on her feet.

My aunt's youngest daughter really has her act together. 17, intelligent, able to take care of herself. As a result, she gets nothing. Same as my brother and I - neither of us has problems, so we receive no particular support.

That part doesn't bother me. We've got it together, we don't need help.


What bothers me is that the help being given has not fixed any problems with the people involved; if anything, it has intensified them, by constantly providing a safety net. No matter how bad things got someone was there to pull their *** out of it and set them back on their feet. Actions have no permanent, lasting consequence.

As a result they have failed to learn personal responsibility. It shows in everything they do.


bleh. Drifting into a rant against a social issue (the nanny society/endless protection from failure). I'll curtail; we've heard all that stuff a dozen times before. I guess I just have a lot of personal examples on which I've based my opinions.



PS: 14 months it is - I'm shooting for that, too. Figuring it'll end in abuse, though I can't tell who'll start beating who first (cousin's bipolar, medicated; one of the reasons she likes Mr. Skeeve so much is because he doesn't require that she take her medicine. Woo!)

PPS: Mrs. Skeeve? Smiley: cry

Edited, Fri Feb 24 12:14:22 2006 by Wingchild
#45 Feb 24 2006 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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I had to ask about an acceptible wedding gift - I figured alcohol and a coat hanger, for before and after, but Mom felt that was a bit extreme. Settling on a card with some McDonalds gift certificates inside. Can't have them going hungry now that they're starting out married life!


You could get them a vacuum cleaner, that could work just as well.


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#46 Feb 24 2006 at 12:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, nice, add bipolar disorder into the mix and I say: baby within 7 months (hence the rush), divorce within 12.
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#47 Feb 24 2006 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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I'll see if I can track down the MySpace; my cousin gave it to me awhile ago, I know I sure as hell didn't bookmark it, but maybe I can get it from her again if I pretend to be interested in her hubby-to-be.


PM me his name, I can run a search on his name and post the Link. Smiley: grin
#48 Feb 24 2006 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Bah, you're handling this situation all wrong.

Don't talk to the bride.

Kidnap the groom. Shave him naked, paint him blue and drop him off somewhere where there are lots of hillbillies with firearms. Odds are he won't make it home.

Problem solved.

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