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#27 Feb 22 2006 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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Unless my memory is completely shot, (a distinct possibility) I seem to remember them holding the winter and summer olympics in the same year. So it was 4 years in between Olympic sessions. It wasn't until around 90 that they started alternating summer and winter Olympics so that they came around every 2 years.


I kind of remember it that way, too, but I could be wrong.
#28 Feb 22 2006 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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He's black.

He can say whatever he wants.
#29 Feb 22 2006 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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I was correct, though it wasn't 1990. 92 was the last year they had both winter and summer in the same year. 94 they had the winter games, and 96 they had the summer. It's been alternating every 2 years since.
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#30 Feb 22 2006 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
The only reason I even know Gumble is still on the air, is that I see his name in the listing as I channel surf through the variuos HBO channels. Who cares what he says. There's only about 1000 people in the whole country watching that crappy program.
#31 Feb 22 2006 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
Blacks can win at Winter Olympics too.
http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/story/5345110
http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/story/5344614
#32 Feb 22 2006 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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Well, that's kind of the point, isn't it? Your comment about Larry Bird was well made - whites are not allowed to say anything about physical or cultural differences between the races, but blacks can say pretty much anything they want, true or not. (Anyone who says figure skaters aren't real athletes has never tried it. It's like ballet; never mind how pretty it is to watch - those people are amazing athletes.)


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Decide which you want. Yeah, it's a double standard but ******** that Gumble must not be allowed to say such jokes doesn't do anything but shore up the walls of rampant PC-dom.


Joph is pretty close to what I was trying to get at. I didn't take:

"so try not to laugh when someone says these are the world's greatest athletes, despite a paucity of blacks..."

...to mean that "they aren't great athletes because they're not black", but rather that "they're not representative of the full athletic world because so few blacks are present." This makes his comment seem more dumb than racist in my eyes. I think he should be called on the stupidity of his comments by other sportswriters and those involved with the winter olympics.

But though I hate the way that they pounced on Larry Bird, I don't want to go eye-for-an-eye, because I'd hate to see society get even more entrenched by these ridiculous PC reactionaries.

#33 Feb 22 2006 at 4:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Again: I'm not talking about taking revenge or external restrictions on speech. Quite the opposite: I'm talking about the need for frank, open discussion.

As hard a time as I'm having making that point, it's probably not possible.

And for the record, I think what he meant to say was something along the lines of "these are the Nordic Olympics, and about half the world is truly represented here." That's fine; but his wording was ambiguous at best.
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#34 Feb 22 2006 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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Again: I'm not talking about taking revenge or external restrictions on speech. Quite the opposite: I'm talking about the need for frank, open discussion.

As hard a time as I'm having making that point, it's probably not possible.


Frank, open discussion? I don't think we can look to the media for that, heh.

I do think you're right though. At present, there's just no dialogue or discourse. Just two sides reacting and complaining among themselves.
#35 Feb 22 2006 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
Pespective moment:

It's Bryant Gumbel and he's talking about the Olympics.


I give a rat's ***, really. Frankly, I find tampon commercials more interesting than the Olympics and Bryant Gumbel wasn't even interesting back when he was fat and did the weather on the today show. And it IS mighty white in the Winter Olympics. Hellen Keller could see that.
#36 Feb 22 2006 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I didn't take:

"so try not to laugh when someone says these are the world's greatest athletes, despite a paucity of blacks..."

...to mean that "they aren't great athletes because they're not black", but rather that "they're not representative of the full athletic world because so few blacks are present." This makes his comment seem more dumb than racist in my eyes.


It also isn't representative of the full athletic world because there aren't many poor to mediocre athletes present of any race. The winter olympics should be the best athletes at their particular sports, regardless of race.

The fact that there are very few black athletes with the interest, desire, skill, and means to train for and compete in winter olympic sports does not take away from the athleticism of the current competitors in any way.

It doesn't really matter which way he meant it, I guess. Dumb, racist, whatever.
#37 Feb 23 2006 at 6:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Bryant Gumble is retarded. I don't think he should be able to get away with it because he is black. He should be punched in the face, turned around and then punched in the back of his head. That's why I love Dave Chappelle he makes fun of everybody, we can all laugh at eachother.

As far as the OP above talking about how he suggested that his black friends go scuba diving, and they said "black folks don't go under water". I friggin hate that, I am black and I like all kinds of music, and most sports. Sometime's black people are afraid of what other people will think if they like something else besides what people think black people should like. Society puts every one in a box. I might be in my car listening to System of a Down, my friends are like "Why you listening to that ****?", I'm like what are you afraid to like rock?. I mean a person can like any type of music they want, but I hate when some people try to tell me I'm not black enough cause I like all kinds of music. Why can't we all just get along, plz! lol :P
If you would scroll through my IPod you would every type of music you could think of I like everything from hip-hop to heavy metal.

edited to add: Let's see his azz out there figure skating, or Snow board cross. All he does is sit in a damn chair, even though i would like to get paid just to interview people, but you guys know what I mean.

Edited, Thu Feb 23 07:13:37 2006 by kalaria
#38 Feb 23 2006 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not arguing that Gumbel shouldn't be allowed to say whatever he likes. I am saying that he should expect to face repercussions when he says ignorant, racist things; the fact that he is not, is actually evidence of a race-based double standard. We make allowances for him because he's black.

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Again: I'm not talking about taking revenge or external restrictions on speech. Quite the opposite: I'm talking about the need for frank, open discussion.

As hard a time as I'm having making that point, it's probably not possible.
I wasn't talking about you, ya nut. As far as I know, you don't typically rail about political correctness or how the black man is keeping the white man down with reverse discrimination Smiley: grin

Edited, Thu Feb 23 09:00:18 2006 by Jophiel
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#39 Feb 23 2006 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Meh, I thought you were dabbling. Smiley: laugh
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#40 Feb 23 2006 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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Eske wrote:

Joph is pretty close to what I was trying to get at. I didn't take:

"so try not to laugh when someone says these are the world's greatest athletes, despite a paucity of blacks..."

...to mean that "they aren't great athletes because they're not black", but rather that "they're not representative of the full athletic world because so few blacks are present." This makes his comment seem more dumb than racist in my eyes. I think he should be called on the stupidity of his comments by other sportswriters and those involved with the winter olympics.


Great. I agree (and I think most people agree).

But that's part of the point. No one's seriously saying that Gumble is a racist for making that remark. What people are pointing to is that it *is* racist that when a black man says that about racial parity in sports, it's just a kinda dumb statement, but when a white man says the exact same thing it *is* taken to be a racist comment.

The racism is not in the comment or the commentor, but the reaction from society/media at large. Clearly, if we react differently to the same event based solely on whether or not the person involved is white or black then we are being racist. And that fact is no more clearly displayed then the difference between the reaction to Gumble's statement and that of Bird's.


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But though I hate the way that they pounced on Larry Bird, I don't want to go eye-for-an-eye, because I'd hate to see society get even more entrenched by these ridiculous PC reactionaries.


That's the point though. One would hope that eventually people will see the hypocrisy of their actions and change them. But that's not likely to happen unless we make a point of showing them that they are in fact reacting unfairly to these events. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Gumble be fired or blasted for what he said. All they're asking is that *everyone* be treated the same in situations like this. And maybe if we keep pointing this out, then the next time someone like Larry Bird makes a comment like that, it'll be just as much of a non-event as Gumble's comment was...


Probably not though.
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#41 Feb 23 2006 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Michael Jackson jokes aside, there is only one black person in the country who is more white than Bryant Gumbel, and that person would be Greg Gumbel.
#42 Feb 23 2006 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
Rush Limbaugh had to resign because he said Donovan McNabb was an overrated Black QB.

"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well,'' Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team"

How many people were ever taking Rush as a serious NFL commentator? Yet because of who he was everyone and their brother was up at arms over his comment.
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