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#1 Feb 21 2006 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
Coincidence? Last night on the Southpark episode that played was the one where Cartman's mom was sleeping with all the politicians trying to get 42nd trimester (8 years) abortions legalized from the current 2nd trimester law. Now this article is front page news on Yahoo:

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/tinfoil hat on

(Also note the really nasty graphic bolded part. It made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.)


Justices to Weigh Late-Term Abortion Ban

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WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court said Tuesday it will consider the constitutionality of banning a type of late-term abortion, teeing up a contentious issue for a new-look court already in a state of flux over privacy rights.

The Bush administration has pressed the high court to reinstate the federal law, passed in 2003 but never put in effect because it was struck down by judges in California, Nebraska and New York.

The outcome will likely rest with the two men that
President Bush has recently installed on the court. Justices had been split 5-4 in 2000 in striking down a state law, barring what critics call partial birth abortion because it lacked an exception to protect the health of the mother.

But Justice
Sandra Day O'Connor, who was the tie-breaking vote, retired late last month and was replaced by
Samuel Alito. Abortion had been a major focus in the fight over Alito's nomination because justices serve for life and he will surely help shape the court on abortion and other issues for the next generation.

Alito, in his rulings on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia, has been more willing than O'Connor, the first woman justice, to allow restrictions on abortions, which were legalized in the
Roe v. Wade decision in 1973.

The federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act prohibits a certain type of abortion, generally carried out in the second or third trimester, in which a fetus is partially removed from the womb, and the skull is punctured or crushed.

Justices on a 9-0 vote in a New Hampshire case reaffirmed in January that states can require parental involvement in abortion decisions and that state restrictions must have an exception to protect the mother's health.

The federal law in the current case has no health exception, but defenders maintain that the procedure is never medically necessary to protect a woman's health.

Even with O'Connor's retirement, there are five votes to uphold Roe, the landmark ruling that established a woman's right to an abortion.

Alito's views "are not going to change the outcome of the central principle of Roe v. Wade," said John Garvey, the dean at Boston College Law School. "In some ways, these are tokens or markers in ... a symbolic tug of war."

Bush has called the so-called partial birth abortion an "abhorrent practice," and his Supreme Court lawyer, Solicitor General Paul Clement, had urged justices not to delay taking up the administration's appeal.

The case that will be heard this fall comes to the Supreme Court from Nebraska, where the federal law was challenged on behalf of physicians. Doctors who perform the procedure contend that it is the safest method of abortion when the mother's health is threatened by heart disease, high blood pressure or cancer.

A judge in Lincoln, Neb., ruled the law was unconstitutional, and the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis agreed last summer, prompting the Supreme Court appeal. Federal judges in New York and San Francisco also declared the law unconstitutional and appeals courts agreed.

"Every court considering this ban has found that it lacks the necessary protections for women's health," said Vicki Saporta, president of the National Abortion Federation.

Fifteen states urged justices to review the case: Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah and Virginia.

The case was one of four that justices agreed to hear on Tuesday, Alito's first day on the bench. The others involve more routine issues: patents, prison sentences, and lawsuits over pay phone charges.

Jay Sekulow, chief counsel for the conservative American Center for Law and Justice, said the court's announcement was "an incredibly important decision that puts the issue of partial-birth abortion front and center."

The case is Gonzales v. Carhart, 05-380.


Edited, Tue Feb 21 15:31:44 2006 by Elderon
#2 Feb 21 2006 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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Hey di[b][/b]ck...it's every woman's right to have the living being inside of her forcefully discharged and their skull punctured ok?

Who are you to tell them that paying someone to murder the child inside of them is wrong?

Edited, Tue Feb 21 15:36:24 2006 by NephthysWanderer
#3 Feb 21 2006 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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The federal law in the current case has no health exception, but defenders maintain that the procedure is never medically necessary to protect a woman's health.


What they don't mention is that some severe birth defects don't show up on ultrasound until mid-second trimester or so.

I'm as cynical as the next person, as long as the next person isn't Nobby; but I cannot believe that anyone would just "forget" to have an abortion until they were showing. Nobody is going to have a late-term abortion without a good reason, backed up by the advice of their obstetrician.
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#4 Feb 21 2006 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Hey di[b][/b]ck...it's everyone woman's right to have the living being inside of her forcefully discharged and their skull punctured ok?

Who are you to tell them that paying someone to murder the child inside of them is wrong?
You just made baby Jesus cry. Smiley: frown
#5 Feb 21 2006 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Nobody is going to have a late-term abortion without a good reason, backed up by the advice of their obstetrician.


Smiley: lol
Good one.
#6 Feb 21 2006 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
No one thinks it should be legal to abort 8 month old preganncies. The point being if medical issues arise that could be fatal to the mother in the second trimester, she has no options.
#8 Feb 21 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
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The federal law in the current case has no health exception, but defenders maintain that the procedure is never medically necessary to protect a woman's health.


What they don't mention is that some severe birth defects don't show up on ultrasound until mid-second trimester or so.

I'm as cynical as the next person, as long as the next person isn't Nobby; but I cannot believe that anyone would just "forget" to have an abortion until they were showing. Nobody is going to have a late-term abortion without a good reason, backed up by the advice of their obstetrician.


I agree.

While I don't doubt there are some women out there who get into the 3rd trimester and start to have some doubts, most women will decide they want an abortion the moment (or soon after) that little stick shows a plus sign.
#9 Feb 21 2006 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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South Park has been a harbinger of real events for some time to come. Brokeback Mountain is one that comes immediately to mind. Of course, if some kid starts trading in preserved dead fetuses, though, I'd be inclined to think that the barriers between reality and fiction have in fact decayed.
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#10 Feb 21 2006 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Myzeri wrote:
No one thinks it should be legal to abort 8 month old preganncies.


Um ... sure thing buddy.

While I don't agree with late term abortions, this law only makes it easier for them to cut out abortions all together. Currently a fetus needs to take a breath for it to be “alive”. Outlawing third trimester abortions would blur the line between when the baby is alive or not, thus making it easier for the court to overturn Roe vs. Wade.
#12 Feb 21 2006 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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State laws vary but, I am 99% positive that federal law claims life upon first breath. If the police find a dead fetus in the trash, and it has taken a breath, then murder charges can be made. If no breath has been taken then other laws have been broken but not murder.
#13 Feb 21 2006 at 4:44 PM Rating: Default
Hey ****...it's every woman's right to have the living being inside of her forcefully discharged and their skull punctured ok?

Who are you to tell them that paying someone to murder the child inside of them is wrong?
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irreguardless of religious beliefs, untill you define a child as a child while it is still in the womb, and noit only after it is actually born, as is the case now, it is not murder.

which is why this addministraiton tried to make an end run around this issue by passing laws that protect a fetus before it is born, even from the mother herself.

untill you REDEFINE the point at which a child is legally a child, outlawing abortions amounts to outlawing a person to seek a medical remidy for herself if she choses. the very point the supreme court made when deciding roe vs wade.

if you want to end abortion, you need to redefine the point when a child becomes a child. untill you do, all you will be doing it trying to strip freedom away from people, something that will go nowhere in teh supreme court irreguardless of how many laws conservative legislators get passed.

this country was founded on freedom. you are free to not have an abortion if you choose not to. you are not free to strip that freedom away from anyone else.

redefine the point life legally begins, then it is murder. untill you do, it is freedom.
#14 Feb 21 2006 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for repeating what I said in many more illegible words and paragraphs.
#15 Feb 21 2006 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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(Also note the really nasty graphic bolded part. It made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.)

You didn't know that's how they do abortions?

The most commmon method basically involves vacuuming the fetus through a small tube.




Edited, Tue Feb 21 17:09:25 2006 by trickybeck
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