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#1 Feb 21 2006 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
Execution delayed

First let me say I have some issues with the way the death penalty is applied in the first place. This isn't about stopping the death penalty, more about some of the ******** that surrounds our justice system now.

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With the execution scheduled for 12:01 a.m. Tuesday, defense lawyers requested a stay from the federal judge who last week ordered San Quentin State Prison to have an anesthesiologist on hand to minimize Michael Angelo Morales' pain as he was put to death by lethal injection. A second anesthesiologist was retained as a backup.


Give me a figgin break. It's an execution! Lethal injection takes about 10 minutes, and then it's over. IF he for some odd reason becomes conscious during that 10 minutes, what pain he feels won't last long. It's not like they are killing him by hacking of body parts till he dies.


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The anesthesiologists issued a statement through the prison saying they were concerned requirements outlined by Fogel and an appeals court could force them to intervene in the execution if Morales woke up or appeared to be in pain.

"Any such intervention would clearly be medically unethical," said the doctors, who have not been identified. "As a result, we have withdrawn from participation in this current process."


Good. They shouldn't have been involved in an execution anyway.

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The prison has until one minute before midnight on Tuesday to execute Morales. After that, the "death warrant" expires and officials would have to go back to the trial judge who imposed the death sentence in 1983 for another warrant.

Seeking another warrant could prove difficult for the state, however, since the original sentencing judge, Charles McGrath, joined Morales this month in asking Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for clemency. McGrath said he no longer believed the credibility of a jailhouse informant whose testimony helped land Morales on death row.


OK, so the original trial judge now feels the execution should go through because he no loger feels the information that moved him to issue the death sentence is credible.

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Judge McGrath asked the governor to spare Morales based on the unreliability of the informant who said Morales boasted about killing Winchell in Spanish, a language he doesn't speak.


I would have thought this would be enough for an appeal. The informant claiming the defendant bragged in a language that he doesn't speak would tend to make me think the informant was at best erroneous, at worst a liar.


We will see what happens in the next 8 hours.

#2 Feb 21 2006 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
As far as the lying narc goes, it doesn't really matter since he admitted to the crime.

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Unlike the last two inmates to be executed in California, Morales admitted to the crime that put him on death row. But in a petition for clemency that Schwarzenegger first turned down on Friday, he claimed that he killed Winchell because he was high on PCP and alcohol.


The whole thing seems bizarre. Why not go the sedative route to begin with? I'm going to keep an eye on this as well.
#3 Feb 21 2006 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
Heh, kinda makes me think of that stand-up comic joke about why they bother to desinfect the needle for a lethal injection.

Afraid he'll get tetanus or something?

#4 Feb 21 2006 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would have thought this would be enough for an appeal. The informant claiming the defendant bragged in a language that he doesn't speak would tend to make me think the informant was at best erroneous, at worst a liar.


If the jailhouse informant's testimony were all that convicted him, it would be enough. It wasn't, so it isn't.
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#5 Feb 21 2006 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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If the jailhouse informant's testimony were all that convicted him, it would be enough. It wasn't, so it isn't.


Not saying it was what convicted him. I was referring to an appeal of the sentence, not the conviction. Yes, he admitted to the crime, but the judge sentenced him to death vs. LWOP (Life w/o Parole) based on the testimony of the jailhouse informant. That's why the judge is asking the Governator for clemency. In CA the Gov could grant clemency and commute the sentence to LWOP.
#6 Feb 21 2006 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Give me a figgin break. It's an execution! Lethal injection takes about 10 minutes, and then it's over. IF he for some odd reason becomes conscious during that 10 minutes, what pain he feels won't last long. It's not like they are killing him by hacking of body parts till he dies.


Except those 10 minutes could feel like hours or even days. There's a difference between a quick painless execution and agonizing writhing pain. You try being in pain for 10 minutes.
#7 Feb 21 2006 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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MentalFrog wrote:
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Give me a figgin break. It's an execution! Lethal injection takes about 10 minutes, and then it's over. IF he for some odd reason becomes conscious during that 10 minutes, what pain he feels won't last long. It's not like they are killing him by hacking of body parts till he dies.


Except those 10 minutes could feel like hours or even days. There's a difference between a quick painless execution and agonizing writhing pain. You try being in pain for 10 minutes.


Maybe they should just shoot him in the head then. 1 second to pull the trigger and 9 minutes to cleanup.

Those 59 seconds could save billions in Texas!
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#8 Feb 21 2006 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
Considering the punishement is going to be death... I don't really see how that 10 minutes of suffering before it really matters. It is a punishement after all, and none can be greater then to take one's life away.

#9 Feb 21 2006 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe they should just shoot him in the head then. 1 second to pull the trigger and 9 minutes to cleanup.

Those 59 seconds could save billions in Texas!




It's like my Pappy always said back on the farm when a calf, lamb, or pig was having problems and needed put down.

"Bullets cost money, son. Use your knife."
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#10 Feb 21 2006 at 5:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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BloodwolfeX wrote:
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If the jailhouse informant's testimony were all that convicted him, it would be enough. It wasn't, so it isn't.


Not saying it was what convicted him. I was referring to an appeal of the sentence, not the conviction. Yes, he admitted to the crime, but the judge sentenced him to death vs. LWOP (Life w/o Parole) based on the testimony of the jailhouse informant. That's why the judge is asking the Governator for clemency. In CA the Gov could grant clemency and commute the sentence to LWOP.


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In one appeal, Morales' lawyers argued that his conviction for capital murder was the product of a jailhouse informant's false testimony that Morales had admitted planning the killing. A federal appeals court dismissed that appeal Sunday, saying the informant's testimony was corroborated by other witnesses and noting that Morales had raised the issue in an earlier appeal.


It wasn't the sole support of the sentence.

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#11 Feb 21 2006 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
Sheesh, if you want to give somebody a death sentence, do it properly.

Put em in genpop and stick a 4 carton bounty on their ***. Much faster that way.
#12 Feb 21 2006 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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8th Amendment to the United States Constitution
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Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


One of those lovely bits of text that means precious little as the terms are left deliberately undefined. `Excessive` can mean quite a few things, as could `cruel` or `unusual`.

The big play on the part of death penalty opponents is to get all forms of execution defined as cruel, hence barring them from use via the 8th Amendment. That's the reason for the anesthesia.

The other tactic is to convince everyone that executions are unusual, since they don't happen in most of the other developed nations. That would lead to a similar 8th Amendment conflict and could lead to another temporary moritorium.

So far neither approach has worked but that doesn't stop folks from trying.


I figure the guillotine is a solid approach to getting the job done; the severing of the spinal column by way of a large and heavy blade should destroy one's ability to feel pain at the same instant that it ends life. We could limit the potential psychological scarring of the soon to be deceased with a blindfold. The device itself could be re-engineered in light of modern materials and our greater understanding of the body human, but truth be told, it worked pretty damn well at inception. I don't know that there's a lot of room for improvement.
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