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#1 Feb 07 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Iranian Paper Plans Holocaust Cartoons TEHRAN, Iran - A prominent Iranian newspaper said Tuesday it would hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West extends the principle of freedom of expression to the **** genocide as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

Hamshahri, one of Iran's largest papers, made clear the contest is a reaction to European newspapers' publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which have led to demonstrations, boycotts and attacks on European embassies across the Islamic world. Several people have been killed.

Hundreds of Iranians hurled stones, and sometimes gasoline bombs, at the Danish and Austrian embassies in Tehran in protest against the cartoons Monday. Austria currently holds the European Union presidency.

The newspaper said the contest would be launched Monday and co-sponsored by the House of Caricatures, a Tehran exhibition center for cartoons. The paper and the cartoon center are owned by the Tehran Municipality, which is dominated by allies of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, well-known for his opposition to Israel.

Ahmadinejad, who was Tehran's mayor until being elected president in June, provoked outcries last year when he said on separate occasions that Israel should be "wiped off the map" and the Holocaust was a "myth."

Iran said last month it would sponsor a conference to examine the scientific evidence supporting the Holocaust, an apparent attempt to give voice to Holocaust deniers.

Hamshahri invited foreign cartoonists to enter the competition.

"Does the West extend freedom of expression to the crimes committed by the United States and Israel, or an event such as the Holocaust? Or is its freedom only for insulting religious sanctities?" Hamshahri wrote, referring to the Prophet Muhammad cartoons.

The cartoons were first published by a Danish newspaper in September. As Muslim protests mounted, numerous European newspapers have reprinted them in recent days in the name of free expression, provoking wider and angrier protests.

The drawings — including one depicting the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb — have touched a raw nerve in part because Islam is interpreted to forbid any illustrations of the Prophet Muhammad for fear they could lead to idolatry.


Fighting "Fire with Fire" is the plan now, since using actual fire on the European embassies was drawing too much bad press. I do question the connection between the current danes and the the Jews who would be upset most by this type of Cartoons. Now if they made fun of Denmark's Welfare Programs, which now has one thirdof the working population supported by the state, that would hit the mark.

Edited, Tue Feb 7 11:58:14 2006 by fhrugby
#2 Feb 07 2006 at 12:02 PM Rating: Default
Fu[b][/b]ck! I predict lots of bombs....
#3 Feb 07 2006 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Would someone care to explain the principles of Islam to me? I'm a little shady as to what Muslims truly believe. Most of the Muslims say these attacks and others like it are perpetuated by extremist groups. In my mind's eye, an extremist group of any variety is a small offshoot of a larger entity that does not represent the moral majority. If that holds true, why are there so many Muslims rioting in the street? Are these extremist groups really as small as they would lead us to believe?
#4 Feb 07 2006 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
This sounds like a tale of a fight straight from 1st grade.
#5 Feb 07 2006 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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How much more ridiculous can this get?

Maybe they could just throw bombs directly at Israel and just skip all the boring steps.

Let's just do this already.

#6 Feb 07 2006 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
Understanding the "principles of Islam" would do you no good. They are as relevant as the "principles of Christianity" are to the Danish cartoonists.

Opportunistic outrage frequently uses a religious tenet as the excuse, but in reality it is perfectly normal xenophobia fueled by nationalism. No one country has a monopoly on having a segment of its population serve as that country's "rednecks," rampaging and carrying on about some knee-jerk offense. There are idiots everywhere. You can't toss a biscuit without smacking some inbred cretin in the melon.

Irrational tools are common enough. The extremist groups merely focus them and tell them it is okay to be moronic.
#7 Feb 07 2006 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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This whole crisis thing is why I'm not religious.

Killing people over a religion, how stupid is that?

F[/b]uck it, they might as well have a ***** fight over the color black.

"Black's not a color!"
"Yes it is, you infidel!"
"Shut up, it's not, it's .. nothing!"
"By the great color god, die!"
"No, you die!"
"No, I told you first!"
"First times infinite, nyah nyah!"
"Arghh!"

etc.

Unless God or Allah himself shows up and tells people to chill the f[b]
uck out, I'm sticking with Darwin's crackpot stories.

They seriously have too much spare time.. why aren't they at work?
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#8 Feb 07 2006 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ah, it's the old 'drawing a parallel between a charicture of a major religious figure and the slaughter of millions of human beings' ploy. So passe'.


I'm not sure there's anything these dirty arab savages can say that will really **** off the Jews. Muslim nations have already attacked Israel multiple times. Israel deals with Muslim suicide bombings on a routine basis. The Jews have already suffered through persecution and have faced the prospect of genocide.

Are cartoons supposed to get under their skin?
#9 Feb 07 2006 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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FFS. If we are prepared to defend the Danes under the banner of "Freedom of Speech" we need to balls to ignore some inflammatory press-flames from the middle-east.

I've said it before - any right carries responsibilities and should be exercised judiciously.

That Danish Newspaper was irresponsible and stupid. It was "entitled" to publish those cartooms, but "Fu[/i]cking Stupid" to do so.

In return, the offended parties are perfectly entitled to peaceful protest.

So:

[i]Current
Fu[/i]ckwit Awards go to:
  • A wannabe Danish Editor who put his own career above peaceful co-existence
  • A few other European Editors who put their own careers above peaceful co-existence
  • Protestors who think it's OK to make death-threats and burn down embassies

  • [i]Tomorrow
    's Fu[i][/i]ckwit Awards go to:

  • The morons who publish deliberately inflammatory cartoosn to taunt Israel and the Diaspora
  • The handful of fundamentalist Jews who ignore 'peaceful protest' and call for the castration of anyone with 'Al' in their name
  • The western press who'll use double standards to use this as proof that Christians are beyond reproach


  • To those who:
    - Deliberately abuse freedom of speech to incite hatred
    - Abuse the right to peaceful protest
    - Use this whole shiznit to incite further racial tension and justify their racism

    Please go somewhere else. You're not welcome. GFY.

    For the rest of us, it's a simple choice:

    Accept Denmark's freedom to publish offensive cartoons about moslems and Iran's freedom to publish offensive cartoons about Jews

    or

    Denounce both.

    Anything else is hypocricy.

    PS - I denounce both.

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    #10 Feb 07 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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    Nobby wrote:
    The handful of fundamentalist Jews who ignore 'peaceful protest' and call for the castration of anyone with 'Al' in their name


    Look out, Katie!
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    Indeed.
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    I guess this means Iran is now conceding to the fact that the Holocaust actually happened? It would be rather silly to try and prove a point with a reference to an event they didn't believe was true...
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    #13 Feb 07 2006 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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    A cartoon about the holocaust hasnt that already been done
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    A cartoon about the holocaust hasnt that already been done


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    Edited, Tue Feb 7 16:17:56 2006 by baelnic
    #15 Feb 07 2006 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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    What Nobby said.
    #16 Feb 07 2006 at 4:48 PM Rating: Default
    Anyone have a fall our shelter for sell? F[/b]uck fuc[b]kity fu[/b]ck fu[b]ck fu[b][/b]ck. Is this going to start a third world war or just a pissing contest? If its the war thing I say we ignore them and let them nuke it out between the two of them.
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    Nobby wrote:
    FFS. If we are prepared to defend the Danes under the banner of "Freedom of Speech" we need to balls to ignore some inflammatory press-flames from the middle-east.

    I've said it before - any right carries responsibilities and should be exercised judiciously.

    That Danish Newspaper was irresponsible and stupid. It was "entitled" to publish those cartooms, but "Fu[/i]cking Stupid" to do so.

    In return, the offended parties are perfectly entitled to peaceful protest.

    So:

    [i]Current
    Fu[/i]ckwit Awards go to:
  • A wannabe Danish Editor who put his own career above peaceful co-existence
  • A few other European Editors who put their own careers above peaceful co-existence
  • Protestors who think it's OK to make death-threats and burn down embassies

  • [i]Tomorrow
    's Fu[i][/i]ckwit Awards go to:

  • The morons who publish deliberately inflammatory cartoosn to taunt Israel and the Diaspora
  • The handful of fundamentalist Jews who ignore 'peaceful protest' and call for the castration of anyone with 'Al' in their name
  • The western press who'll use double standards to use this as proof that Christians are beyond reproach


  • To those who:
    - Deliberately abuse freedom of speech to incite hatred
    - Abuse the right to peaceful protest
    - Use this whole shiznit to incite further racial tension and justify their racism

    Please go somewhere else. You're not welcome. GFY.

    For the rest of us, it's a simple choice:

    Accept Denmark's freedom to publish offensive cartoons about moslems and Iran's freedom to publish offensive cartoons about Jews

    or

    Denounce both.

    Anything else is hypocricy.

    PS - I denounce both.



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    sheebasaurusrex wrote:

    Smiley: clap

    I realize my support for your opinion is meaningless, however I'd like to express my thanks that there is at least one reasonable human being on the planet aside from myself.

    Here, here! and have a Smiley: cookie


    Thank you.

    I hope to see a grainy interwebs video of you in an orange jumpsuit being beheaded by brown people in black overalls in the near future.

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    #19 Feb 07 2006 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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    Nobby, the newspaper only brought the illustrations as a part of a book review.

    I would've understood the muslims if the newspaper had had the illustrations made for the article, but they had not. It was an article about a book and they brought the illustrations as a part of the review.

    Thanks to certain muslim leaders in the country, people on the order side of the borders thought the newspaper had brought them to mock the muslims.

    So talk about stirring up waters.
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    Mazra wrote:
    I don't understand the difference between a journalist, a cartoonist, a publisher, and an editor.
    Thanks for clearing that up, di[i][/i]ckwad.

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    Mazra wrote:
    Nobby, the newspaper only brought the illustrations as a part of a book review.

    I would've understood the muslims if the newspaper had had the illustrations made for the article, but they had not. It was an article about a book and they brought the illustrations as a part of the review.

    Thanks to certain muslim leaders in the country, people on the order side of the borders thought the newspaper had brought them to mock the muslims.

    So talk about stirring up waters.


    Sorry But it doesn't matter how the newspaper got the cartoons.

    A book review doesn't need the illustrations to get the reviewer's opinon, if they are in bad taste. Instead just mention the cartoons and the let reader decide if they want to go burn... I mean buy the book or not.
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    So according to you, having posted links to the pictures, I'm no better than the newspaper or the cartoonists. I put the pictures (links, ed.) in my article (post, ed.) just like the newspaper did.

    Smiley: dubious
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    Maus is truly a great read. I have the hardback that contains volume I&II.
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    #25 Feb 08 2006 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
    And now we have people storming US bases over this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/08/cartoon.protests/index.html wrote:
    KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Afghan police have shot and killed several protesters trying to storm a U.S. military base, bringing the death toll from this week's violent demonstrations over caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed to at least 10.




    I don't think this isn't going to end well.
    #26 Feb 08 2006 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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    Ever watched the movie "Life of Brian" or maybe just something a bit lesser like "Dogma" somewhat more recently?

    It's not exactly odd to see images of Ghandi, Mother Theresa or just plain old Jesus being poked fun at now and again.

    A number of the Danish(?) cartoons were making fun of how Mohammed is often a figure used to entice terrosists in a number of cases. The famous virgin bit for instance(one cartoon having Mohammed saying that they were out of virgins I believe). These aren't exactly the most disgusting images like having Mohammed engaging in intercourse with a pig or something.

    It more just seems to show a lack of maturity on the part of the muslim community to start into widespread violence as has occured in many areas with the burning of embassies and the like. Trying to say that such violence should be respected as though it is reasonable when it doesn't actually seem to be the case they understand what satire is seems a bit odd.

    Trying to kill people over doodles is a bit much.
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