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#27 Feb 03 2006 at 5:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've been thinking about trying out the cable phone. Vonage seems to be the big mover here in the states, don't know if that's what you guys have up there or not.

So you like it ok, bhodi?


It is about the same as a regular phone. Same quality, same sound, works with existing phones. The more I use the long distance the more it pays for itself. Which is nice because my family and most of my highschool friends are long distance calls.

Only hitch I worth mentioning is that it requires power, it won't work during a power outage like a regular phone. However mine came with back up power supply that lasts 6hrs+.

I am with Shaw Entertainment, it is a Canadian company. From what I gather talking to you yanks with Cable internet they are far more reliable than some of the companies southside. I would recommend doing some ground work and reading up on a company and the service provided before making the leap.


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#28 Feb 03 2006 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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Get a girl with a face like Angelina Jolie's and your problem is solved...

What? Not those DSLs? Ahhh, nevermind then.

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#29 Feb 03 2006 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Of course Totes idea of DSL is a girl with a cleft lip.
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#30 Feb 03 2006 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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Getting DSL so you can download WoW patches, right?


I have Comcast cable, and yeah it costs $57/month. Speed is amazing though, and cable TV came with it. (I got free HBO, Cinemax, Showtime for like a year, but they cut those off Smiley: frown)

#31 Feb 03 2006 at 6:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sure by the time I got the DSL up and humming, my 10-day trial will be long over.

I had tried my second Fileplanet attempt via IE to see if it'd pick up on the disconnect. No love. One more try tonight I guess then I say ***** it. Even as is, I'm only willing to download while I'm in bed or at work -- I'm not tying up the system for 18hours during times when I could be actually using it.
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#32 Feb 03 2006 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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General rule of thumb on Cable vs DSL is that if both are of "good" quality or better, cable will typically be a better deal. Faster speeds. Fewer disconnects. Fewer problems overall.

Obviously, if the cable service in your area sucks, or is ridiculously overpriced, that's going to factor in. Make sure that the DSL service is "good" though, because crappy DSL isn't really much better then just using an old modem system.


Oh. And when Shadowbane comes out, you'll *really* be glad you upgraded your connection. Really! It's gonna blow them all away. Big time...
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#33 Feb 03 2006 at 6:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Heh... glad I asked you guys about distance. Apparently I'm at 18,000 feet from the nearest station and they stop selling at 18,500. Obviously not worth the effort.

The sales lady said "Well, you'd still get DSL speeds! They'd just be about 300kb instead of the 1.5Mb..."

I suppose if they want to sell me the service for $2.60 a month since I'm getting 1/5th the advertised speeds... Smiley: dubious
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#34 Feb 03 2006 at 6:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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You could always try the 19.99 cable route and see if its worth it.


Once time is up either stick with it or bail back to 56k
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#35 Feb 03 2006 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
Even without a bundle I was paying only $44/month for cable in SC.

Dunno what I'm paying here(yet). I'm on the 3 month free then I become their ***** plan at the moment.

You may want to try AOL or Earthlink cable as an alternative to the local provider(if available in your area). It's the exact same service over the same equipment but you're paying a different company every month. Deregulation and all that.
#36 Feb 03 2006 at 10:57 PM Rating: Decent
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A warning, if you go for cable make sure everyone else on your block doesn't have it too. Down here most people have Cable internet. This means my bandwidth was shot to hell during peak hours. If I tried to use it during busy times I may as well of been on 56k again.

Cable is faster but you share the line with everyone else. If your area isnt really crowded with cable users or you dont mind this, go for cable.

DSL is slower but you have your own dedicated line. You will always get that speed no matter how many people in your neighborhood are using DSL as well.

So if I were you id check how popular cable is around your area or just go ahead and give it a try. If you find your connection diving during those busy hours or are having a crappy connection in general go for DSL instead.

Edited, Fri Feb 3 22:58:22 2006 by Stubwub
#37 Feb 04 2006 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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You could always try the 19.99 cable route and see if its worth it.


Once time is up either stick with it or bail back to 56k
Around here there is also a $9.99 CDN capped DSL that gives you DSL without having to pay for the second phone line (assuming you don't like your line tied up). This is offered through Bell.
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Like I said, cable is $60/mth and that's just not going to happen. I'm sure there's some Intro to Economics term for it, but I have a ceiling for how highly I value internet connections regardless of how fast it is and $60 is above that cap. Hell, $30 is coming close to it.

DSL is a plain no-go since I'm too far from the switch to make it worth my money.

Looks like my trusty ten-year old dial-up account is going to have another birthday.
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#39 Feb 04 2006 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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Hehe. I think they call that "demand inflexibility" or something like it. Though "too damn much" works just fine...

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Stubwub wrote:
A warning, if you go for cable make sure everyone else on your block doesn't have it too. Down here most people have Cable internet. This means my bandwidth was shot to hell during peak hours. If I tried to use it during busy times I may as well of been on 56k again.

Cable is faster but you share the line with everyone else. If your area isnt really crowded with cable users or you dont mind this, go for cable.

DSL is slower but you have your own dedicated line. You will always get that speed no matter how many people in your neighborhood are using DSL as well.


This is pretty much a myth propogated by phone companies in order to try to keep people from using cable services.

I could give you the long and detailed network design reason why this is false, but the short version is that no matter what kind of network you buy it's always "shared" at some point between your computer and the backbone. The only real difference between cable and DSL in terms of sharing bandwidth is the length of cable between your house and the point at which you begin to share bandwidth with everyone else in your neighborhood.

The whole point of switched, packet-based networks is that they share the same pysical layer. Once you get from the physical wire from your computer to the shared and packetized part of the network, the rules are all the same. And every provider is going to use pretty much the same formulas for average use versus cost to determine how many people share that part of the network. You are just as likely to share the same, more, or less bandwidth with other users regardless of whether you are connected to the network via a cable modem or a DSL line.
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#40 Feb 04 2006 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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I've had cable internet for 2-3 years now. I've never had that "downtime" that's supposed to come when it's peak time. And peak time is pretty much when I'm always on.
#41 Feb 04 2006 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont think it's really a myth seeing as I experienced it first hand.

I really hate having to argue over this again. Since I seem to do it with many cable and dsl users despite using both services many times. And getting the same results.. every time. And I know others have experienced it too.

Everytime I tried cable down here I got bandwidth problems during busy hours (because so many damn people down here have it). But any other time of the day my speeds were just fine. It happened everyday so to me, it's not a myth. It's true and it's very annoying since I pay 50+$ a month for something I'm not getting fully.

When I used DSL (SBC) I always got the same speed no matter the time of the day. The only problem with it was it was slower for the money I was paying and it went down at times. But it was still fast at all times.

I've gone Cable (and denied because I had too many devices on the cable, ie: tvs)
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and currently DSL again.

When I used Cable I got the same results everytime. When I had DSL I had the same results everytime. (By the way, SBC is ****) If there are not alot of people using cable in your area you are not going to get any slow downs during peakhours. But if you live in a region with a ****** of people, alot using cable net, you WILL get a slow down.

By the way, a tech from Cox is the one who first informed me about the reason of the slowdowns the first time I asked. Not the phone companies.

Edited, Sat Feb 4 07:27:34 2006 by Stubwub

Edited, Sat Feb 4 07:28:47 2006 by Stubwub
#42 Feb 04 2006 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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Well then, your cable company just sucks.
#43 Feb 04 2006 at 7:32 AM Rating: Decent
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So the reason for the slow speeds at the same periods of the day every day is because the cable company sucks. Not because I live in a heavely populated area with many using cable internet?

I find that hard to believe. But if you say so..

Edited, Sat Feb 4 07:41:19 2006 by Stubwub
#44 Feb 04 2006 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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I live in a heavily populated metropolitan area. I have a cable and have no problems at peak times because as Nadenu stated my service provider doesnt suck.
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#45 Feb 04 2006 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
Stubwub wrote:
I dont think it's really a myth seeing as I experienced it first hand.

I really hate having to argue over this again. Since I seem to do it with many cable and dsl users despite using both services many times. And getting the same results.. every time. And I know others have experienced it too.

Everytime I tried cable down here I got bandwidth problems during busy hours (because so many damn people down here have it). But any other time of the day my speeds were just fine. It happened everyday so to me, it's not a myth. It's true and it's very annoying since I pay 50+$ a month for something I'm not getting fully.

When I used DSL (SBC) I always got the same speed no matter the time of the day. The only problem with it was it was slower for the money I was paying and it went down at times. But it was still fast at all times.

I've gone Cable (and denied because I had too many devices on the cable, ie: tvs)
DSL
Cable
56k
Cable
DSL
Cable
and currently DSL again.

When I used Cable I got the same results everytime. When I had DSL I had the same results everytime. (By the way, SBC is ****) If there are not alot of people using cable in your area you are not going to get any slow downs during peakhours. But if you live in a region with a ****** of people, alot using cable net, you WILL get a slow down.

By the way, a tech from Cox is the one who first informed me about the reason of the slowdowns the first time I asked. Not the phone companies.

Edited, Sat Feb 4 07:27:34 2006 by Stubwub

Edited, Sat Feb 4 07:28:47 2006 by Stubwub


As stated before: Then your cable company sucks. They're not doing the job properly if you're suffering noticeable slowdown.

I've been on cable for about 5 years now in 3 different locations and have never, EVER tested out at less than 4 mb and I test every month or so if everything seems great. I test all the damned time if I'm having trouble downloading something.

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#47 Feb 04 2006 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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I've been happy with my SBC DSL. It's not nearly as fast as my Charter cable was, but at significantly less than half the price it's quite the bargain. The one thing I'm going to miss is the 24 hour restoral commitment from Charter compared to SBC's whenever we get around to it policy but that's an issue for the future.
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#48 Feb 06 2006 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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Stubwub wrote:
So the reason for the slow speeds at the same periods of the day every day is because the cable company sucks. Not because I live in a heavely populated area with many using cable internet?

I find that hard to believe. But if you say so..


It's both. The cable guy is telling you the truth, but also misleading you at the same time. Yes. The slowness is because there are too many people all trying to use the same section of network.

I was not saying that cable will never have a slowdown problem due to numbers of customers in an area. My point is that this is *not* a feature specific to cable internet systems. You are getting slowness during peak hours because your cable company has chosen to funnel too many customers into a single switch from the cable line(s). Period. They could reduce that if they wanted to. It has *nothing* to do with the cable technology. It's a choice made by the company. In your case, your cable company has chosen to put too many homes on a single loop, causing slowness. That's why your cable company sucks.


DSL is no different. If I'm a sucky DSL company, I can just as easily take each of those single unshared lines from people's homes, and funnel them into a set of switches that can't handle the volume and you'll see *exactly* the same slowdown during peak hours that you'll see on cable systems. The issue of bandwidth is a simple choice of the transmission rate of packets between any section of your network and any other section. The chokepoints are always going to be any switch that's shared (which all networks have). Your speed will be based on the slowest chokepoint between you and your ISPs backbone connection. That chokepoint's slowness will be determined by the number of simultaneous users trying to pass through it. It absolutely does not matter what kind of physical layer you are using. The physical layer will affect the transmission rate of any single connection, but has *nothing* to do with shared bandwidth issues.


That's why it's a myth. I never said that cable never has a problem with shared bandwidth. Only that it's no more likely to be a problem with a cable system then with any other. That's why earlier in this thread, I specified that if both services were of similar relative quality, the cable service is generally "better" (assuming the price is ok, which it isn't in this case). That's because if the cable company knows what it's doing and sets up their network correctly, there wont be any bandwidth problems, and the physical layer they're using allows for a better transmission speed overall.

The real issue is that a cable ISP has to ***** up their switch setup in order for the customer speed to be as slow as the "fastest" speed you can get from DSL *if* you have an ideal DSL distance *and* your DSL company hasn't screwed up their switch setup. Everything else being equal, cable will provide a better service. It usually costs more though...
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#49 Feb 06 2006 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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It's both. The cable guy is telling you the truth, but also misleading you at the same time
Oh FFS!
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#50 Feb 06 2006 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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It's both. The cable guy is telling you the truth, but also misleading you at the same time
Oh FFS!


Yeah. Whatever...

For those with a short attention span, the claim that cable inherently makes your connection slower during peak hours is like arguing that concrete road beds are better because asphalt road beds cause traffic congestion during rush hour.

Does that analogy make more sense to you?
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#51 Feb 07 2006 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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ALSO, there are several speeds of DSL. How fast is it up and down? If it's not 1.5Mb up/768 down, I wouldn't bother.


You mean 1.5 down / 768 up : D

Not to be a picky ***** but to the OP who's looking into things, its an important detail.
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