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#52 Dec 18 2008 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Kelvy the hypnotism puts him into deep state of relaxation, and due to Swanson's sudden death he is permanently in that state. However in the second half of the film he is clearly not relaxed. He is worried and anxious over the consequences of their plot. The writers forgot. You are making an absurd argument that rather than incompetent writing the film deliberately ignores the premise it establishes without giving any explanation for the oversight as part of some greater metaphorical statement?

I guess I am technically incorrect about you not having seen it, but if you don't remember the film you may as well not have seen it.

You know what, you're right. When I make a typo in my posts I am actually doing it intentionally to make a complex analogy of the human condition. I totally didn't just ***** up.

Edited, Dec 18th 2008 6:59pm by Allegory
#53 Dec 18 2008 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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After some deliberation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KHDG0HwPDw I still do not think that they forgot but did indeed leave the hypnotism to be totally vague just to be used as a device and I believe that the writers relied on the assumed poor perceptiveness of the audience to just forget the whole thing instead of actually trying to figure what the hypnotism was supposed to really achieve. I can see how thinking one way would lead you to hate the rest of the movie though in thinking that the hypnotism was some huge arch.

either way
it was still a very funny movie and I would watch it again.



Edited, Dec 18th 2008 8:10pm by Kelvyquayo
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#54 Dec 18 2008 at 5:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Al,

Why would you apply that much scrutiny to Office Space? What movies do you like and do you apply the same level of scrutiny? If so I am NEVER going to watch a movie with you.

Edited, Dec 18th 2008 6:11pm by baelnic
#55 Dec 18 2008 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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baelnic wrote:
Al,
What movies do you like and do you apply the same level of scrutiny?


Christ I can see it now,




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#56 Dec 18 2008 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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Lol. That wasn't fair, I nearly drowned on my tea.
#57 Dec 18 2008 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh, Kelvy's list isn't too far off, though I'm curious who it belongs to.

Some movies I have liked:
Old Boy
The Prestige
Memento
Wall E
Spirited Away
Millennium Actress
Iron Man
Pirates of the Caribbean
Baraka
Pan's Labyrinth
Gattaca
The Truman Show

I hold them to the same degree of scrutiny, but I apply an Ebert style of criticism; that is I judge it against similar movies. I wouldn't try to compare Iron man to Baraka, but I would judge it against other superhero movies.
#58 Dec 18 2008 at 8:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hold them to the same degree of scrutiny, but I apply an Ebert style of criticism; that is I judge it against similar movies. I wouldn't try to compare Iron man to Baraka, but I would judge it against other superhero movies.


You really need to learn to let go. Have you ever been drunk? I think it would be an eye opening experience for you...

Edited, Dec 18th 2008 10:49pm by BrownDuck
#59 Dec 18 2008 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Well this is odd...I noticed the necrotic state of the thread right away, but something else startled me: I was always under the impression that Allegory was a female. Rather odd to find out he's really a Japanese schoolboy.
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#60 Dec 18 2008 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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The Great BrownDuck wrote:
You really need to learn to let go. Have you ever been drunk? I think it would be an eye opening experience for you...

You don't remember my drunk thread do you? I assure you you would find it more than disappointing.
Debalic wrote:
I was always under the impression that Allegory was a female. Rather odd to find out he's really a Japanese schoolboy.

I'm whatever I'm paid to be for the night.
#61 Dec 18 2008 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
I was always under the impression that Allegory was a female. Rather odd to find out he's really a Japanese schoolboy.

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#62 Dec 18 2008 at 11:56 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, this sort of hyper-sensitive nose-disjointing is nowhere near exclusive to Islam. Remember the flap over The Last Temptation of Christ?

The biggest irony there is that the writer was attempting to disprove "what if" theories about the crucifixion by showing how it would never have worked unless it happened the way it had in the Bible. But all people saw was ZOMG!Sacrilege! and threw back their heads and howled.
#63 Dec 19 2008 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, this sort of hyper-sensitive nose-disjointing is nowhere near exclusive to Islam. Remember the flap over The Last Temptation of Christ?

The biggest irony there is that the writer was attempting to disprove "what if" theories about the crucifixion by showing how it would never have worked unless it happened the way it had in the Bible. But all people saw was ZOMG!Sacrilege! and threw back their heads and howled.


Hyper-sensitivity is one thing. Calling for the "heads of the infidels" is another thing entirely. Smiley: dubious
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#65 Dec 19 2008 at 5:55 AM Rating: Default
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Well this is odd...I noticed the necrotic state of the thread right away, but something else startled me: I was always under the impression that Allegory was a female. Rather odd to find out he's really a Japanese schoolboy.
Wait so allegory isn't a chick.. wow you really do act like one =-/
#66 Dec 19 2008 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Kelvy the hypnotism puts him into deep state of relaxation, and due to Swanson's sudden death he is permanently in that state.


I'm not sure his hypnosis is permanent. Swanson alluded (though not directly) that he is not able to permanently change Peter's perception of work when Peter asks if he can make it so he thinks he's fishing or something when he's at work.

My interpretation is that as the movie progresses, the hypnosis slowly fades and he becomes more aware of work issues, specifically the botched scam, which brings him fully out of the hypnosis. Just a thought.

I enjoy this movie, though I do agree that once the crime is perpetrated, the movie is largely unfunny for it duration.

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Kelvy the hypnotism puts him into deep state of relaxation, and due to Swanson's sudden death he is permanently in that state. However in the second half of the film he is clearly not relaxed. He is worried and anxious over the consequences of their plot. The writers forgot.
I think this is a common mistake. The point of having Dr. Swanson die at the therapy session wasn't to indicate that Peter would be stuck in his hypnotic state forever; it was to emphasize the fact that it worked, and Dr. Swanson's death didn't phase Peter in the least.

And he does mention it later:

Peter wrote:
Yeah, I know, Michael. It's completely unfair. And I realized something today. It's not about me and my dream of doing nothing. It's about all of us together. I don't know what happened at that hypnotherapist the other day; maybe it was just shock. It's wearing off now, but when I saw that fat man keel over and die, Michael, I realized that we don't have a lot of time on this earth. We weren't meant to spend it this way. Human beings weren't meant to sit in little cubicles, starring at computer screens all day, filling out useless forms and listening to eight different bosses drone on about mission statements.


Maybe now, Allegory, you can stop thinking you're God's gift to ****-retentive analysis, and enjoy the movie for what it is.

ETA: Also, Dr. Swanson says "one" as he keels over. So the hypnosis ended. You'll notice Peter gets a big grin on his face, and looks around and at his hands like he's never seen them before.

Edited, Dec 19th 2008 10:46am by AshOnMyTomatoes
#68 Dec 19 2008 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Watching Dogma is like reading Ctrl+Alt+Del.


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#69 Dec 19 2008 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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Boo to the necropost.

I also like Dogma and Office Space. I'm not surprised Allegory doesn't, though. After all, he thinks kids actually learn from toys. Smiley: rolleyes
#70 Dec 19 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not surprised Allegory doesn't, though. After all, he thinks kids actually learn from toys. Smiley: rolleyes


I view Allegory as the Egon Spengler of our generation, growing up with nothing but a straightened slinky.
#71 Dec 19 2008 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
I'm not surprised Allegory doesn't, though. After all, he thinks kids actually learn from toys. Smiley: rolleyes


I view Allegory as the Egon Spengler of our generation, growing up with nothing but a straightened slinky.


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