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#1 Jan 30 2006 at 3:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Al-Zawahiri, right before the State of the Union, wrote:
"My first message is to the butcher of Washington, Bush: You are not just defeated and lying about it, but you are, with God's help, a loser. You are bad luck to your people. You brought them disasters and catastrophes, and you will bring them even more disasters."

Al-Zawahiri also taunts the U.S. president, saying, "Bush, do you know where I am? I am among the Muslim masses enjoying their care with God's blessings and sharing with them their holy war against you until we defeat you, God willing."
From a purely tactical standpoint, what a knucklefu[i][/i]ck retarded move. When you're hoping for internal dissention to win your conflicts for you, you don't come out and give the President a cause to galvanize the troops and make the undecided say "Oh sh[u][/u]it! Terrorists!" Even those who are already opposed to the administration's policies are less likely to chirp up and take the usual "You hate America and want Saddam in power" remarks. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Now's the time for the usual suspects to say "you support the terrorists!" No, I don't but I know it makes you feel better to say it. Really, I'm just wondering what al-Z was trying to accomplish.
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#2 Jan 30 2006 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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"Us guys" are infinitely more likely to cause a withdrawl from Iraq than the "domestic supporters" are.

Edited, Mon Jan 30 17:06:40 2006 by Jophiel
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#7 Jan 30 2006 at 5:33 PM Rating: Default
No its just an urban myth.
#8 Jan 30 2006 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Eh? I think that everyone tends to look at their own side of the fence first, and that colors their approach to problem.

In the same way that Bush is going to focus most on how the war is percieved at home, so is Al-Z, right? He's likely more interested in making sure he gets two messages across to the locals:

1. They're not going anywhere. The politics of the region are usually very harsh, so most people try to avoid taking a stand when they can. He knows that this is the biggest threat to him. If "the people" of Iraq make a commitment to a democratic Iraq, he can't win. If he keeps the masses waiting to see what happens before picking a side, he's got a good shot just by dragging things out as long as possible.

2. They're "among the Muslim masses". Heh. So if you're one of those aformentioned Muslim masses, you wont know which of us is working for Al-Z, so maybe you should just keep quiet and not get in our way...


Pretty simple message really. Galvanizing *us* doesn't really matter to him much. This message was most aimed at the people of Iraq.
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#9 Jan 30 2006 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
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"...you are, with God's help, a loser. You are bad luck to your people. You brought them disasters and catastrophes, and you will bring them even more disasters."

I think this was directed at me, personally.
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#10 Jan 30 2006 at 11:52 PM Rating: Good
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Sounds like it was just a good excuse to call Bush a loser.
#11 Jan 31 2006 at 7:47 AM Rating: Default
Obvious fake. This is the government trying to get us riled up again.
#13 Jan 31 2006 at 8:33 AM Rating: Default
It's from Lewis Carroll, so that seems appropriate to me.
#14 Jan 31 2006 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Sadly for Al Zawahiri, God is neither willing nor is He Muslim.

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#15 Jan 31 2006 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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Perhaps the message was more aimed at the people of Pakistan? Seeing as how it was in response to the US military strike that killed 18 civilians in Pakistan that was aimed at killing (insert hard to spell arabic name here). Any previous US action going into pakistan has been condemned by the government mainly for show. This time Perez Musharref was like "they might have killed 4 al-qaeda so I got no problem with it".

This way they attack the US for killing civilians and also get to chip away at the Pakistani President for supporting the US. Seems to me the terrorists are just using the same old schtick to justify their actions and to help oust a US friendly leader.
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#16 Jan 31 2006 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Obvious fake. This is the government trying to get us riled up again.
Well, that was compelling testimony.
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#17 Jan 31 2006 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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Calling bush a loser? Rather odd choice.



Where's the release where Bush calls him a Dork and challenges him to a fight behind the bleachers at 3 O' clock?
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Precisly why bush is by the Bleachers.



I don't think he could limp wrist slap his way out of a wet paper bag.
#20 Jan 31 2006 at 5:18 PM Rating: Default
From a purely tactical standpoint, what a *********** retarded move.
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while true what you say, and true, he is not very smart, he IS still alive which makes him smarter than Bush.

not to mention his approval rating for the job he is doing is somewhere around 90 percent amoung the people in the middle east, while Bush,s approval rating at home is hovering around 40 percent, and almost zero throughout the rest of the world, including some of our closest allies.

al-zawahiri is stupid, but he is a BETTER statesman than the president of the united states of america.

hell, chavez in venezela is gathering more allies than we are at the moment. a two bit thug.

time for a change yet my repub brothers? or is your pride worth sinking this country entirely?
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#23 Jan 31 2006 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're attempting to discover a reason or logic behind the madness that is Islam which encourages such acts feel free to share with the rest of us.

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while true what you say, and true, he is not very smart, he IS still alive which makes him smarter than Bush.


Lol. You know something the rest of us don't? Last I heard Bush was alive too...

Yeah. I know that's not what you were going for, but that's how I read it, so nyah!

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not to mention his approval rating for the job he is doing is somewhere around 90 percent amoung the people in the middle east, while Bush,s approval rating at home is hovering around 40 percent, and almost zero throughout the rest of the world, including some of our closest allies.


Yeah. I'm sure Al-Z's approval rating is around 90%. Sure...

Oh. And while I know you'd like to pretend that Bush's approval rating does and will eternally stay at it's lowest point. That dog don't hunt. I'm pretty sure that 47 is closer to 50 then 40, but then it's been awhile since I took a basic math class.

Some interesting points (cause this topic's boring enough already, no offence to Joph's attempts to make it interesting):

Specifically, belief that the United States is making significant progress toward establishing a democratic government in Iraq has jumped dramatically, by 18 points, to 65 percent. A sense of progress in establishing civil order similarly is up, by 16 points, to 60 percent. Each is its best since these questions first were asked in the spring of 2004.

Moreover — in a view held by majorities across party lines — 71 percent of Americans believe the Iraqi elections have moved the United States closer to the day U.S. forces can be withdrawn. Fifty-four percent express optimism about Iraq in the year ahead, eight points more than at this time last year. And 56 percent think the United States is winning the war, a recent theme of the president's, up slightly from 51 percent in August.



Hmmm... Funny that. I'd like to take an aside and point out that once Bush finally put together a campaign to inform the public about what was really going on (and what their goals and plans where) instead of allowing the Liberals free reign to control the discussion about the war, the numbers have jumped up significantly. Kinda what I (and a number of other people) said he needed to do. If there's one common theme in my arguments on this subject, it's that there's a huge disconnect between what is actually going on and the public perception of what's going on.

Another interesting bit:

Even with his gains, the president faces considerable skepticism. Despite his recent speeches, culminating in Sunday night's national address, 60 percent of Americans say he has not done enough to explain the reasons the United States is in Iraq and 59 percent think the administration does not have a clear plan for handling the situation there. (This poll was conducted Thursday through Sunday.) Views on the lack of a clear plan have been steady since spring 2004; what helps the president politically is that even more — 74 percent — think the Democrats in Congress don't have a clear plan for Iraq, either.

Hah! Yet another point I've made recently. The Dems (and general Liberal arguments as well) are too focused on critisizing Bush, but with no "plan" as to what they'd do differently. This is the "arguing against an ideal" that I mentioned about a week ago in a different thread. It's one thing to list off things that are wrong about someone else's policy, but then you're just constrating that to an unobtainable ideal solution. But if you don't provide a real solution to contrast, then you aren't really going to sway votors.

This last poll stat shows this in action. 59% don't think the Administration has a clear plan for Iraq. But 74% don't think that the Dems do. That's a critical number. Probably more important then any other. If you have to choose beween someone that has a plan (whether you agree with it or not), and someone who doesn't, which name will you mark down on a ballot? That's a 15% swing right there, in what is undoubtably the biggest issue in terms of any national election. If the Dems can't come up with a foreign policy, they're going to continue to spiral downward in terms of control at a federal level.


One last thing (because it's sooo easy):

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al-zawahiri is stupid, but he is a BETTER statesman than the president of the united states of america.


Exactly what definition of "statesman" are you using?

Edited, Tue Jan 31 21:47:32 2006 by gbaji
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#25 Feb 01 2006 at 2:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, his first post in the thread was of moderate lenght, but in true fashion, gbaji goes with what he knows: boring. Am I the only person that reads the first paragraph, then skips to the next post?

Oh... and uh... go Bush, n' stuff.
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