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#1 Jan 27 2006 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Russia building the reactors and supplying the materials and are being payed handsomely for it. They have consistently come down on the side of Iran.

China is using its position on the UN security council to stall any efforts to deal with the issue. They are also selling weapons to Iran for money and oil.

Today India switched sides and sided with Russia/Iran after getting in a little bit of a fuss with the IAEA.

The US screaming bloody murder

the EU trying to calm everyone down.

We are all f[b][/b]ucked.

Edited, Fri Jan 27 14:50:11 2006 by bodhisattva
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#2 Jan 27 2006 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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If by "We" you mean Israel then yes.

Actually I just googled it up, and found that Iran does in fact have some nice ICBM's that could hit as far as London. So it looks like WE is a much more inclusicve term then I had once thought.

Edited, Fri Jan 27 14:57:39 2006 by fenderputy
#3 Jan 27 2006 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
fenderputy the Shady wrote:
If by "We" you mean Israel then yes.

By "We" he definately means the starving children of Africa.
#4 Jan 27 2006 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
Ok...I'm going to come out and say it...


Why the fuc[/i]k [i]shouldn't these countries have Nukes?

Yeah, no sh[/i]it, nukes being in the hands of some of these countries would be a bad thing. But the US having them in their hands is better [i]how? Because we've demonstrated that we aren't interested in invading other countries to inflict our way of life on others? Yeah...

We are no more responsible than any of the countries trying to create nukes, so why should anyone be surprised that other people want them? Moreover, why should we try and stop them?

(Other than the fact that the US wants to dominate the World of course)

Edited, Fri Jan 27 15:02:02 2006 by Stunted
#5 Jan 27 2006 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

He was a rock, to the end, a solid reminder
Couldn't deny a friend
We lived in the noise and the sweet amber poison
Peekin' up the skirt of the end

And we'd drink, two gnarly dudes and some records
Much like plates of black food
We filled up our faces, saw some far places
Stood on the roof in the nude

And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

Between poles, he said "We're like cows in the grass"
Brushing off flies
Chaise lounging around, standing up, falling down
Till we no longer opened our eyes

And we'd drink, ever notice how drinking's like war?
Cup o' troops o'er the gums
To the end of our health, a campaign 'gainst myself
Armed with bourbons and scotches and rums

And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

Think of bombs, we're poised on the edge of disaster
Whether it's right or it's wrong

We opened the window, played some Nintendo
Sang a few bars of some pretty old song:
Irene goodnight, Irene goodnight
Goodnight Irene, goodnight Irene
I'll see you in my dreams

Oh to dream, those impotent bones of extinction
Flying graceful and free
None but the best 'cause the man cannot rest
Till he's finally beaten his me

And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

Till the end, he passed out on the sundeck that morning
Quietly saying goodbye
But I was so hammered I sputtered and stammered
Told him he couldn't just die

He was a rock, went straight for his own Armageddon
Face froze in a grin
Ambulance flyin' in, I never drank again
Can't really call that a loss or a win

And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred
#6 Jan 27 2006 at 3:06 PM Rating: Default
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Stunted Quick Hands wrote:
But the US having them in their hands is better how?


Because the United States can kick a countries *** without having to resort to nukes. Iran can't.
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#7 Jan 27 2006 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Because the United States can kick a countries *** without having to resort to nukes. Iran can't.



Right. Excuse me.

Because we can bend you over and fuc[i][/i]k you in the *** without even taking our pants off.
#8 Jan 27 2006 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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Part of the reason for not wanting Iran to develop nuclear-enabled missiles has to do with their stated desire to wipe another UN member-nation off the map entirely. Their government has expressed a forthright desire to commit genocide.

Nuclear weapons are a fast and easy way to go about committing genocide, should you ever manage to obtain them in the first place. It would be best if Iran never acquires that particular weapon technology.


On the flip side, why should Iran -- or any nation -- get nuclear weapons? Some misguided notion of fairness or equity?
#9 Jan 27 2006 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Wingchild wrote:
Part of the reason for not wanting Iran to develop nuclear-enabled missiles has to do with their stated desire to wipe another UN member-nation off the map entirely. Their government has expressed a forthright desire to commit genocide.

Somehow I doubt Iran will be dropping letters of warning on the desired target too.
#10 Jan 27 2006 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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On the flip side, why should Iran -- or any nation -- get nuclear weapons? Some misguided notion of fairness or equity?


I'm not encouraging genocide nor putting nukes in the hands of dangerous people mind you, but let's face it...simply trying to deny access to something that could kill you doesn't mean they aren't just going to find another way. Stopping the latest attempt should only be one concern...the more prevelant being stopping them permanently through diplomacy...and how often does this happen?

I'll be the first to admit, I'm highly ignorant and naive of the political status of the world...and I'm fine with that. There are things I don't care to know about or understand in this lifetime, I'm just not interested...mostly because I have no control or influence over it.

But all I hear about is how country X wants to refuse country Y something because it would/could be bad for country Y...but that's as far as the talks go. Where's the emphasis? On prolonging a hostile relationship, or resolving the fuc[/i]king problem? Just ignore country X's concerns until they're about to kick the sh[i]it out of you?



Just ignore me, I don't know what the fu[i][/i]ck I'm talking about Smiley: bah.
#11 Jan 27 2006 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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Stopping the latest attempt should only be one concern...the more prevelant being stopping them permanently through diplomacy...and how often does this happen?


About as often as it does through open warfare: rarely if ever.

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Where's the emphasis? On prolonging a hostile relationship, or resolving the ******* problem?


It's difficult to answer this without going into areas where you have already professed a very happy ignorance. As happiness is a rare commodity, I don't really want to intrude on your worldview..

It is sufficient to say that prolonged, hostile relationships are a way of doing business between nations, particularly when the nations at either end of said relationship have a vested interest in maintaining that hostility. Think of American rhetoric against the USSR during the cold war, then apply similar lessons to the current Iranian government as they sling invectives in our direction. Whipping up a public frenzy over an enemy - particularly one that's usually thousands of miles away, and across a bloody big ocean, to boot - is a good way of instilling some kind of national identity and political fervor in your people. Skip back to Orwell's 1984 and the two-minute hate for further reading.

The problem is when you begin taking active steps to turn your rhetoric into action, such as by building a ballistic missile ******* and working towards creating nuclear material with which to arm them. That changes the political playing field significantly. Everybody understands the point and nature of rhetoric, but putting missiles behind your words makes people edgy. Particularly when your nation is in a rather unstable region of the world, more particularly when you publicly espouse genocide against nearby neighbors and their foreign supporters.

There really aren't many good ways for solving this problem in the long run, aside from letting the ruling powers die of old age and hoping the next generation has better common sense. Nobody likes it when we do things through diplomatic means (much criticism of the Cold War with Russia) and nobody likes it when we take an active approach (the current administration's policy of regime change, which ousted Hussain in Iraq and which has tied up many thousands of our soldiers over the past couple of years). Honestly people in America don't much like it when anything happens that takes their focus off the latest reality tv show. There's no real 'win' in this situation.

The best we can hope for is that people don't so something so monumentally stupid that we wind up in a third world war, one that has glow-in-the-dark consequences.
#12 Jan 27 2006 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not encouraging genocide nor putting nukes in the hands of dangerous people mind you, but let's face it...simply trying to deny access to something that could kill you doesn't mean they aren't just going to find another way. Stopping the latest attempt should only be one concern...the more prevelant being stopping them permanently through diplomacy...and how often does this happen?


It doesnt happen, that is why we should just end it for that entire area of the world, and make the entire mid-east a giant glass mirror.
#13 Jan 27 2006 at 4:54 PM Rating: Default
Stunted,

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I'm not encouraging genocide nor putting nukes in the hands of dangerous people mind you


So I guess you didn't really mean it when it when you asked why we don't just let Iran have nukes then?

I have an even better idea; why don't we donate all our nuclear technology to Castro because he really wants it and we don't want to upset anyone.

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Just ignore me, I don't know what the **** I'm talking about


Most intelligent thing you've said yet.

Achileez

Edited, Fri Jan 27 16:56:57 2006 by achileez
#14 Jan 27 2006 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
It's depressing to think that life has degenerated to the point where our main goal is to simply survive each other.
#15 Jan 27 2006 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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I'm trying to remember the name of that little country that's the only one to ever use a Nucular Weapon for real against a foreign country.

It'll come to me.

ISTR it later sold Botulinum toxin and nucular components to Saddam Hussein.

Wast it. . . Nahh. Give me a few more minutes.
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#16 Jan 27 2006 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
Stunted Quick Hands wrote:
It's depressing to think that life has degenerated to the point where our main goal is to simply survive each other.


Degenerated? It's ALWAYS been like that.
#17 Jan 27 2006 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Banter wrote:
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I'm not encouraging genocide nor putting nukes in the hands of dangerous people mind you, but let's face it...simply trying to deny access to something that could kill you doesn't mean they aren't just going to find another way. Stopping the latest attempt should only be one concern...the more prevelant being stopping them permanently through diplomacy...and how often does this happen?

It doesnt happen, that is why we should just end it for that entire area of the world, and make the entire mid-east a giant glass mirror.

I've been promoting this stance for years, buddy.
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#18 Jan 29 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Default
Russia building the reactors and supplying the materials and are being payed handsomely for it. They have consistently come down on the side of Iran.

China is using its position on the UN security council to stall any efforts to deal with the issue. They are also selling weapons to Iran for money and oil.
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you people should really watch Syeriana, the movie. it was inspired by actual events.

we have fought long and hard to prevent China and Russia from gaining a foothold in the middle east. the lack of cheap energy is one of the biggest factors in the wall comming down with russia.

we even started a war in afganistan and worked with the Taliban, then known as "freedom fighters" to sell it to you STUPID sheep as a just cause to that very end.

we had Saudi Arabia locked up. we had iran and iraq in a pissing contest with each other, supplying both sides, to make sure the reagon was too unstable for a foreign element to get in their.

then the first gulf war, and the U.N. resolution. you think the food for oil scandle was about Hussin thumbing his nose? Hussin was selling oil....cheap....to Russia, China and anyone else all with the blessing of the U.N., undermining everything we fought so hard to prevent.

enter Hussin and his WMD program out of the ruins of an embargo. ROFL, hussin couldnt have imported a thanbksgiving day turkey without our knoledge. they had no long distance rockets. they had no artillary. they had no navy, they had no airforce.

had to stop hussin.......from selling oil to our enemy,s that is.

anyone still dont understand why the hostility toward the U.N. now? they undermined our national security by being UNBIASED in their dealings with the rest of the world.

in destroying the oil supply from iraq to China and Russia, saudi arabia still locked up adn in our pocket, africa oil owned and operated by american companies......of coarse iran. a friggin deaf dumb and blind man could see it comming.

guess what? Chavez anyone? you bet. they will be next on Russia,s and China,s shopping trip if they are not already.

we are trying to out a lid on the oil jar so we can use it for political power. in the process, we are CREATING OUR ENEMY,s where none existed.

we are our own worst enemy.
#19 Jan 29 2006 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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but my guess us that Israel will knock over the first domino.
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