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#27 Jan 27 2006 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
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Oh I know why the employer is doing it, it's just completely ******* retarded that they think it would succeed. I wonder how people that make decisions like this could be in business in the first place. It shows a complete lack of insight in that this will more than likely just reduce already failing profits.


See, but that's where you are wrong. Decisions like these is how they manage to pull through to begin with. Take into consideration that the only ones really loosing at this one is the employees. Wether or not this tactic will greatly increase their profits by promoting their employee's love for their product is only a tidbit in the plan; because though the increase isn't great, it DOES make a better impact on any saleman's pitch.

Stop looking at this from the employee's point of view, or some magical set of customers that know and hate this policy just because they miraculously give a damn about the guy/girl conning them to spending 16k.

Look at it from the employer's point of view...where he/she is willing to do ANYTHING to increase the company's profit by even a small 0.0001%.

Edited, Fri Jan 27 14:59:20 2006 by Exodus
#28 Jan 27 2006 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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Look at it from the employer's point of view...where he/she is willing to do ANYTHING to increase the company's profit by even a small 0.0001%.
Short of actually improving their product, perhaps they can offer free air-brushing of nekked women/night elves with the purchase of a new car. That and free mud-flaps.
#29 Jan 27 2006 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Darkflame lent me her extra allakhazam.com tshirt for a Fan Faire... I want to steal that from her again, it's great. Every so often I walked by someone in public and they did a doubletake.
I have got to get me one of these!!!!

I demand Alla t shirt sales with Login names embroidered on the chest!!

Get to it Katie.
#30 Jan 27 2006 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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Darkflame lent me her extra allakhazam.com tshirt for a Fan Faire... I want to steal that from her again, it's great. Every so often I walked by someone in public and they did a doubletake.
I have got to get me one of these!!!!

I demand Alla t shirt sales with Login names embroidered on the chest!!

Get to it Katie.
Actually, I could get these done rather cheaply if Big Al authorized the use of his copyrighted logo for them.





Edited, Fri Jan 27 15:15:18 2006 by Elderon
#31 Jan 27 2006 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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Wasn't there talk of Alla shirts and stuff at one point?
#32 Jan 27 2006 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Wasn't there talk of Alla shirts and stuff at one point?


Yeah, but
1- None of us have any artistic talent
2- The original (totally basass IMHO) logo, with the wand and lightning, etc, was lost
3- It's a lot of work, and the reason we stopped in the first place is that nobody wanted one. On the other hand, we have like 50x as many users now...
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#33 Jan 27 2006 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Because hey, if things are looking down with your customers, **** off your employees too! It might prolong your demise a couple minutes...but not likely.


Except that the article states that the move was supported by the workforce. Sure, not all of them drive Ford's or care to, but the vast majority of the people that work at the plant have a great deal of pride in the product they produce.

And it's only the only plant in North America that is doing it at this time, although it's probably a safe bet other plants will follow suit.
#34 Jan 27 2006 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Wasn't there talk of Alla shirts and stuff at one point?


Yeah, but
1- None of us have any artistic talent
2- The original (totally basass IMHO) logo, with the wand and lightning, etc, was lost
3- It's a lot of work, and the reason we stopped in the first place is that nobody wanted one. On the other hand, we have like 50x as many users now...


I'd hit it... er, buy one.

Get Eld to whip up something snazzy.
#35 Jan 27 2006 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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#36 Jan 27 2006 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Wasn't there talk of Alla shirts and stuff at one point?


Yeah, but
1- None of us have any artistic talent
2- The original (totally basass IMHO) logo, with the wand and lightning, etc, was lost
3- It's a lot of work, and the reason we stopped in the first place is that nobody wanted one. On the other hand, we have like 50x as many users now...


I'd hit it... er, buy one.

Get Eld to whip up something snazzy.
I think it's above them to ask me for anything. Smiley: bah
#37 Jan 27 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe they were being polite?


Elitist bastards, all of 'em
#38 Jan 27 2006 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Get Eld to whip up something snazzy.
I think it's above them to ask me for anything. Smiley: bah


I'd be glad to ask you, but I'm not in control of the intellectual property shiznits
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#39 Jan 27 2006 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Get Eld to whip up something snazzy.
I think it's above them to ask me for anything. Smiley: bah


I'd be glad to ask you, but I'm not in control of the intellectual property shiznits
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#40 Jan 27 2006 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't the employee morale lost by di[b][/b]cking over those with non-Ford cars be greater than the motivation gained by this action?

#41 Jan 27 2006 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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How the employees percieve the company policy is of no concern to the employer, wether it be incentive or threat. The purpose is so that the owner of that facility to make money.


Oh I know why the employer is doing it, it's just completely fuc[i][/i]king retarded that they think it would succeed. I wonder how people that make decisions like this could be in business in the first place. It shows a complete lack of insight in that this will more than likely just reduce already failing profits.

Because hey, if things are looking down with your customers, **** off your employees too! It might prolong your demise a couple minutes...but not likely.



Fords' holdings are what again compared to yours?

I think you are simply "blabbering about" for the sake of debate. If you are selling a product and use something else, you wont be selling that product for long.

So many workers these days lose sight of the whole teamwork effort in favor of a "me first" attitude.

I wonder how many people are actually proud of their job, or take pride in their work anymore? If marketing, building, or selling a product, understand that believers are closers.

Non believers park in the rear. Smiley: oyvey


#42 Jan 27 2006 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Non believers park in the rear.


Believers get parked in the ground after their ignition/fuel tank catch on fire.

I wouldn't chalk this up to motivation, unless you are referring to motivating profits. This does di[/b]ck all to the employees besides decrease motivation. Unless you consider buying a crappy car at a discounted price a motivational factor.

My loyalty ends to a company after about the 5th or 6th fuc[b]
king I recieve from them, after that it is fair game in the market.
#43 Jan 27 2006 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, but
1- None of us have any artistic talent
2- The original (totally basass IMHO) logo, with the wand and lightning, etc, was lost
3- It's a lot of work, and the reason we stopped in the first place is that nobody wanted one. On the other hand, we have like 50x as many users now...


Cafepress offers a pretty reliable T-Shirt selling bussiness, you design it and they sell it for you on their website.

Edited, Fri Jan 27 16:37:39 2006 by fhrugby
#44 Jan 27 2006 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Weebs wrote:
Non believers park in the rear.


Believers get parked in the ground after their ignition/fuel tank catch on fire.

I wouldn't chalk this up to motivation, unless you are referring to motivating profits. This does di[/b]ck all to the employees besides decrease motivation. Unless you consider buying a crappy car at a discounted price a motivational factor.

My loyalty ends to a company after about the 5th or 6th fuc[b]
king I recieve from them, after that it is fair game in the market.



Got it! Don't buy another Ford.
#45 Jan 27 2006 at 5:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I used Cafepress back in early 2000 to design my guild's tshirt and an uber stein of moggok


Their tshirt quality sucked *** then, and I hear it still does

I still use the stien of moggok though, even though it's mostly faded
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Have your people call my people, we'll do lunch.


I'd do lunch if you weren't in freaking Ontario
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#47 Jan 29 2006 at 7:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:


2- The original (totally basass IMHO) logo, with the wand and lightning, etc, was lost
3- It's a lot of work, and the reason we stopped in the first place is that nobody wanted one. On the other hand, we have like 50x as many users now...



I have a recreated image of the logo with wand image that is large enough to make into a t-shirt. It's just a matter of getting them made.

I would like to have us offer allakhazam T-shirts again for sale. How that would work would be the main hurdle at this point. Allakhazam himself owns the copyright on that logo, so If I wanted to go the Cafepress route and just have some made, we would have to work out some sort of arrangement, either licensing for a limited run, or a percentage of any profits made. In the long run it would probably be more profitable for him to just commission them himself and not worry about me as a middle man.

Now Staff shirts, that's another matter, I think I could make a run of those without any problem. This year shall be the year!
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#49 Jan 29 2006 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:


2- The original (totally basass IMHO) logo, with the wand and lightning, etc, was lost
3- It's a lot of work, and the reason we stopped in the first place is that nobody wanted one. On the other hand, we have like 50x as many users now...



I have a recreated image of the logo with wand image that is large enough to make into a t-shirt. It's just a matter of getting them made.

I would like to have us offer allakhazam T-shirts again for sale. How that would work would be the main hurdle at this point. Allakhazam himself owns the copyright on that logo, so If I wanted to go the Cafepress route and just have some made, we would have to work out some sort of arrangement, either licensing for a limited run, or a percentage of any profits made. In the long run it would probably be more profitable for him to just commission them himself and not worry about me as a middle man.

Now Staff shirts, that's another matter, I think I could make a run of those without any problem. This year shall be the year!


I highly advise getting the staff shirts run first. That way you get the extra points for being elitist bastards and eventually higher sales when the shirts are made available to the jealous masses who only want a shirt so that they can say they belong to the elite crowd.

When can I order?

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#51 Jan 29 2006 at 8:17 PM Rating: Good
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Well, if you are able to get the shirts printed before May, it would make the boston trip that much nerdier. Smiley: grin

And make it easy to find everyone for that first gathering.
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