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#1 Jan 26 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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My husband and I don't have wills yet because we're young and stupid. However, I'm getting to the point where I'll be not-so-young and stupid and so figure I should at least have a few things written down.

Most things are easy: I leave everything to him, then our daughter. He leaves everything to me, then our daughter. One point: if we were to die while she (or children to come) is still a child, we *should* have some sort of specification as to who we would want to take custody of her. We're not the religious type so there is no God-parent or anything.

Blah blah blah, long story short, neither of us would want her with my parents. So our first choice would be his parents, second would be my sister. Has anyone delt with this before? Obviously when we put this in writing, we'll be telling his parents and my sister that this is what we're doing, but should I tell my parents that we're not going to be putting them down? Or should I just leave it since it would probably hurt their feelings and most likely (let's hope!) will never come up anyway?

Any lawyer types or others well versed in this sort of thing that have any tips on stuff that people typically make mistakes on in this area? Anything special it might be handy to know?

I just want something other than politics in here really. Smiley: sly

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#2 Jan 26 2006 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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My husband and I don't have wills yet because we're young and stupid. However, I'm getting to the point where I'll be not-so-young and stupid and so figure I should at least have a few things written down.
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I love how that reads. You used to be young and stupid, now you are just not-so-young, but still stupid.

Heart Nexa.
#3 Jan 26 2006 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Do his parents live closer to you, or at least in a certain geographical location that you'd like your child to experience/grow up in should you both meet with early dirtnaps? That maight be an easy way to break it to them, if you say you'd want the baby to stay in Maine, stay on the East Coast, etc.
#4 Jan 26 2006 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:



I love how that reads. You used to be young and stupid, now you are just not-so-young, but still stupid.

Heart Nexa.


I'm glad it reads that way, since it was my intention. I have a birthday coming up.

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#5 Jan 26 2006 at 2:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Do his parents live closer to you, or at least in a certain geographical location that you'd like your child to experience/grow up in should you both meet with early dirtnaps? That maight be an easy way to break it to them, if you say you'd want the baby to stay in Maine, stay on the East Coast, etc.


Yeah, that sure would make it easier, but my parents live in Maine...and his live in England. So it would be pretty horrible if we were both to die and then their grandchild would be whisked away to England. However, they're in no position to be taking in a child and I'm sure they know that. I just don't know if it's worth telling them or not. I guess I could leave letters to everyone with the Will and it could explain how/why we came to that decision...? Then it's only out there if necessary.

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#6 Jan 26 2006 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Do his parents live closer to you, or at least in a certain geographical location that you'd like your child to experience/grow up in should you both meet with early dirtnaps? That maight be an easy way to break it to them, if you say you'd want the baby to stay in Maine, stay on the East Coast, etc.


Yeah, that sure would make it easier, but my parents live in Maine...and his live in England. So it would be pretty horrible if we were both to die and then their grandchild would be whisked away to England. However, they're in no position to be taking in a child and I'm sure they know that. I just don't know if it's worth telling them or not. I guess I could leave letters to everyone with the Will and it could explain how/why we came to that decision...? Then it's only out there if necessary.

Nexa

That sounds like it's best. I think most folks assume that the wife's mother would be the obvious choice to care for any orphaned grandchildren, but in the end it's your decision, and your husband's.
#7 Jan 26 2006 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:

That sounds like it's best. I think most folks assume that the wife's mother would be the obvious choice to care for any orphaned grandchildren, but in the end it's your decision, and your husband's.


Cool. Great idea Me! You're the BEST!

I told you I just wanted something other than politics in here, haha.

Now someone else post something that isn't politics. I've shown you how!

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#8 Jan 26 2006 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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You can't even guess what I just posted about. Smiley: laugh
#9 Jan 26 2006 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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You should probably talk to an attorney that handles estate planning. There are a lot of different factors in planning a will and future guardianship for one's children that have to be considered.
#10 Jan 26 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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#11 Jan 26 2006 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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If you quit drinking, you could leave them your liver.
#12 Jan 26 2006 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
If you quit drinking, you could leave them your liver.


Too late. Smiley: frown
#13 Jan 26 2006 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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Just make sure you get an actual will, writing down a few things, or even an unsigned copy of the will, will not help should you die. Your estate(s) and the guardians of the children will go according to your states law, and you might not like what that is. Once you get married and especially once you have kids, you really need to get a will. The courts will not take into any consideration what you write down, they are not permitted to, they can only follow an official will and if no will, then the estate law of that state will dictate.

Also do not assume that because you do not have a large amount of money that you do need a will. If god forbid something were to happen to you(and/or the spouse) at a young age, chances are that whatever it is would be an accidental death that someone is liable for and the proceeds from that wrongful death suit would flow into you estate and be distrubuted according to the state law. Gettign a Will now is a very good idea, it will be worth the couple hundred dollars you spend.

Shop around a simple will should not be that expensive, and do not get talked into a living will as well, unless you want one, since that will cost twice as much.
#14 Jan 26 2006 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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Also, make sure that you specify in your bank accounts and such that you want all your money to pass to your husband in the event of your death. Most people assume that this is automatic when you share an account, and it's not. You need to specify it.
#15 Jan 26 2006 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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#16 Jan 26 2006 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is right up my alley Nexa! Do lots of estate planning/trusts and such.

Wills are the normal written documents a person uses to distribute their estate and appoint guardians in the event of his death. Wills are probated and that is through the court system. There are also trusts and if the trusts are drafted correctly and funded appropriately, probate is avoided. Most people go that route nowadays.

Your will would appoint a guardian for your daughter. You would need to appoint a guardian for the person and estate of your daughter (someone to care for your daughter physically and someone to look after the money). It's usually the same person. Guardianships are done through the court as well. If you and your husband do a trust, you could set up a trust for your daughter and the guardianship for the person of your daughter would be dealt with in court and her estate would be handled by the trustee of your trust.

The choice of a guardian is really personal. And you have to look at the how and where your daughter would be raised if neither you nor your husband is around.

Don't put this off. Until you get to a lawyer, you and your husband could just write your wishes on paper and sign it. Just say:

I intend that this document is my will and I revoke any other wills I may have previously made. I am married to ____________ and I have one child, ______________________.

I leave everything to my spouse and in the event my spouse does not survive me, I leave everything to my daughter Hannah. I appoint my spouse as my executor of my estate with full powers of such appointment.

I appoint ______________ as the guardian of the person and estate of my daughter in the event that she is still a minor.


Sign and date it and keep it in a safe place. Make a couple of copies and leave it with whoever is going to be your guardian and let them know where the original is.

Most people assume that their respective families would never fight over the guardianship and custody of the children, but I've seen some very nasty guardianship fights. The children have to go through the trauma of a guardianship court fight while dealing with the emotional loss of losing their parents.

Now, get yourself to a lawyer.
#17 Jan 26 2006 at 3:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't put this off. Until you get to a lawyer, you and your husband could just write your wishes on paper and sign it. Just say:

I intend that this document is my will and I revoke any other wills I may have previously made. I am married to ____________ and I have one child, ______________________.

I leave everything to my spouse and in the event my spouse does not survive me, I leave everything to my daughter Hannah. I appoint my spouse as my executor of my estate with full powers of such appointment.

I appoint ______________ as the guardian of the person and estate of my daughter in the event that she is still a minor.
If you're feeling especially lazy, just hit the "Print" button on your web browser and fill in the blanks.
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#18 Jan 26 2006 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm going to start calling lawyers and telling them that "Thumbelyna from the Asylum told me I need a will", hehe.

I'm going to write all that out on post-it notes, laid out in a large square, so that when I do meet with the lawyer, they'll have to put it together like a puzzle. I know they charge by the hour, but I think it would be worth it.

Nexa

Edit: Evidently I'm even too stupid to spell "it" correctly.

Edited, Thu Jan 26 15:08:13 2006 by Nexa
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#19 Jan 26 2006 at 3:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Make a condition to claiming your estate a night spent in a haunted house. For the classical touch.
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#20 Jan 26 2006 at 3:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Make a condition to claiming your estate a night spent in a haunted house. For the classical touch.


Well duh. I think some sort of community service will be required as well. In the end, I think the good deeds they have done will make them feel better when the find out I was only worth $13.23, some old barbies, and some Boyd's Bears.

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#21 Jan 26 2006 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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Yup, because if you want anything attached to your will for your children to cherish as their last memory of you it's this this thread!
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#23 Jan 26 2006 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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Technically, write it in your handwriting. If you type/use a wordprocesser for your will, you will need at least 2 witnesses signing your will with a statement that they understand that it is your will, that you were acting without any undue influence and that you were of sound mind, etc. So just write it. Smiley: smile

An attorney is going to want to know your assets (house, bank accounts, retirement, life insurance, etc.) and family members.

So bring your attorney copies of the Deed to your house, bank accounts, retirement accounts, life insurance, annuities. Make a list of children (which is only Hannah at the moment) and the order of people you want to act as executors and trustees. The more you are organized for your attorney, the less attorneys' fees you have to pay. Smiley: grin
#24 Jan 26 2006 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
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Disclaimer: The postings in this thread should not be construed as legal advice nor take as such. You are strongly advised to seek the advice of an attorney of your own choosing. The hereinamed poster hereby disclaims any responsibility or liability relating to the topic at hand.

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#25 Jan 26 2006 at 4:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Make a list of children (which is only Hannah at the moment)


That we know of...there are a few fuzzy years back there. Smiley: eek

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#26 Jan 26 2006 at 8:58 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
Thumbelyna the Hand wrote:
Make a list of children (which is only Hannah at the moment)


That we know of...there are a few fuzzy years back there.

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