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#1 Jan 26 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4650788.stm


There are strong indications that the Islamic militant group Hamas has won a stunning victory in Wednesday's Palestinian parliamentary elections.

Official results are to be announced at around 1900 local time (1700 GMT), but PM Ahmed Qurei has offered to resign.

A Hamas win will pose a great dilemma for international efforts to restart peace talks with Israel, say analysts.

US President George W Bush said the US would not deal with Hamas unless it renounced its call to destroy Israel.


Man, who'd have thought there would be consequences for systematically demonizing an entire population in rheotic over and over?

In other news, Fatah leaders were heard to comment "Hammas Jewed us out of some seats in Gaza!"

Seriously though, I can't wait for the gross overreaction by Isreal. Maybe they'll bomb the Palastinian Parliment or something because one of the Hammas members "looked at us funny."

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#4 Jan 26 2006 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Seriously though, I can't wait for the gross overreaction by Isreal. Maybe they'll bomb the Palastinian Parliment or something because one of the Hammas members "looked at us funny."


Umm...or maybe the Hammas will continue to blow up innocent civilians for no reason at all?

******* overreacting jews. I bet they made up the Holocaust too.
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Has to be a swift kick in the junk to the Super Patriots in Washington when a terrorist group wins a legitimate election to gain power.
#6 Jan 26 2006 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Has to be a swift kick in the junk to the Super Patriots in Washington when a terrorist group wins a legitimate election to gain power.


Not really. We knew they were all a bunch of fu[b][/b]cking savages. Why do you think we are trying to bomb them all off the face of the earth?
#7 Jan 26 2006 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - there's the debil you know (Arafat) and the debil you don't know (Abu Hamsa)

Arafat sailed as close to the wind with Hammas as he could without them removing his ears at the waist.


Hamsa made the noises Washington wanted to hear despite clearly having little grass-roots credibility on the streets of Gaza and West Bank. The west supported Israel's removal of Arafat and will now be diverting vital resources from fighting Iranian insurgents in Iraq to a whole world of fan-cleaning in Palestine.

Go Condy!!! Smiley: oyvey


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Umm...or maybe the Hammas will continue to blow up innocent civilians for no reason at all?


Isreal has killed more innocent Palistinans than Hammas has killed inocent Isreali's by a factor of about 10.

When you drop burning metal on someone from the sky though, it's ok. When you sacrafice your life for a cause you believe in though, that's evil.

Hamas is great. I love Hammas.



@#%^ing overreacting jews. I bet they made up the Holocaust too.


Nah they just figured it was their turn to perptrate one.

Allah u Akbar!
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#9 Jan 26 2006 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Why do you think we are trying to bomb them all off the face of the earth?


Cause it was a triple-dog-dare?
#10 Jan 26 2006 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Hamas coming to power is a pretty good deal. When a terrorist group acts without an official government backing them, we have to say they're independant militants - we are able to deal with them in only a limited fashion lest we infringe on the rights of the people of a given province.

When a terrorist group gets is elected to power by the citizens of a province and effectively becomes The Man, we gain access to a new tool of statecraft.

Before, we had to limit our operations against Hamas. Now we can declare war on them and their nation in response to aggression. No need to feel bad about wiping out Palestinian civilians, either, as they elected the government we'll eventually go to war against.


Tasty.
#11 Jan 26 2006 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
The Dems in the U.S. should take this opportunity to redefine their platform. Promise of public beheadings could be just what they need to grab those undecided elusive southern and midwestern votes.
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Hamas coming to power is a pretty good deal. When a terrorist group acts without an official government backing them, we have to say they're independant militants - we are able to deal with them in only a limited fashion lest we infringe on the rights of the people of a given province.

When a terrorist group gets is elected to power by the citizens of a province and effectively becomes The Man, we gain access to a new tool of statecraft.
S'what they said about the Iranian elections. And that's shaping up to be just how we wanted it, right?
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#13 Jan 26 2006 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Before, we had to limit our operations against Hamas. Now we can declare war on them and their nation in response to aggression.


Ahahahhaa declare war on Palastine.

Good one.

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#14 Jan 26 2006 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Before, we had to limit our operations against Hamas. Now we can defend them over the Israel's Palestine land-grab like we did for Kuwait in '90 when Saddam sent his guys in.
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S'what they said about the Iranian elections. And that's shaping up to be just how we wanted it, right?

Iran's just taking a cue from North Korea. We've not acted decisively enough with respect to halting the advance of future nuclear powers (didn't with India, didn't with Pakistan, haven't with NK) and everybody knows that The Bomb is a pretty awesome bargaining chip. If you make one, you get to join the nuclear club and pretend like you're a badass. If you're trying to make one, people will give you things to make you stop. It's really win-win until we head in and start killing people over this.


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Ahahahhaa declare war on Palastine.

Good one.

We don't even have to bother. Israel can declare war for us in response to continued suicide attacks. They're the ones on the scene and the ones most directly affected by terrorism; now they have a neighbor with a government to do war upon, rather than having to make vague attempts at protecting the Palestinian citizenry that was tacitly under their authority.

They're their own people now with their own bit of land. They've got their own government. Fu[/b]ck 'em. If they want to keep being as[b]sholes, fine and well, but the jews have a long track record of winning wars against the arabs. (With our support, of course.)

I'd be thrilled to see the Hamas-heavy government take up the cry of "let's all push Israel into the sea woo yay" again, and mobilize the people to that effect. That'd work real well, particularly with a large American army to the east and tons of special forces active in the area.
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In other news, Fatah leaders were heard to comment "Hammas Jewed us out of some seats in Gaza!


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#17 Jan 26 2006 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Woot Hamas!

Hey, here's a couple of political slogans they can use for the future.

"A Chicken in Every Pot, A Suicide Bomber on Every Bus! "

Intifada 2006: "The 'Blow' Up With People Party"!


I actually voted against the mass-extermination of the Jews before I voted for it.

Nostalgic for Vest-Bomb Martyrdom? Vote Hamas!
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Before, we had to limit our operations against Hamas. Now we can declare war on them and their nation in response to aggression. No need to feel bad about wiping out Palestinian civilians, either, as they elected the government we'll eventually go to war against.
I don't know why Georgie doesn't just declare war on everything east of Greece and be done with it.
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We don't even have to bother. Israel can declare war for us in response to continued suicide attacks. They're the ones on the scene and the ones most directly affected by terrorism; now they have a neighbor with a government to do war upon, rather than having to make vague attempts at protecting the Palestinian citizenry that was tacitly under their authority.

They're their own people now with their own bit of land. They've got their own government. **** 'em. If they want to keep being ********, fine and well, but the jews have a long track record of winning wars against the arabs. (With our support, of course.)


Not to get to comlex here, but if Isreal formally declared war on Palastine (as opposed to running women and children over with tanks occasioanlly) it would completely legitimise Iran's nuclear program.

Not going to happen.

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I don't really see where you're going with your prior point; the plight of the displaced Palestinians isn't Iran's fight. Iran has a vested interest in seeing the Jews wiped off the map, of course, but I don't see how a declaration of war in response to aggression from a different arab group legitimizes a theoretical future nuclear exchange. I can see it being a convenient point of rhetoric but not a true justification.
#21 Jan 26 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Has to be a swift kick in the junk to the Super Patriots in Washington when a terrorist group wins a legitimate election to gain power.


Sweet sweet irony..
#22 Jan 26 2006 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
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I don't really see where you're going with your prior point; the plight of the displaced Palestinians isn't Iran's fight. Iran has a vested interest in seeing the Jews wiped off the map, of course, but I don't see how a declaration of war in response to aggression from a different arab group legitimizes a theoretical future nuclear exchange. I can see it being a convenient point of rhetoric but not a true justification.


Iranians are technically Persian, not Arab, so it's not like they have an amazing fondness in their hearts for Palestinians. They're a convenient exuse for saber rattling is all. About the only thing they agree on is that they don't like Israel.

Hamas also has more in common with the IRA then Al-queda. A degree of legitimacy may do more to reduce violence then spark it. While it's not a perfect example, it is amusing how the perception changes depending on labels. When a militant slinter group of the IRA joins the political side of things it's hailed as a success, but when Hamas does the exact same thing it's called a failure? It looks more to me like Hamas is going through the same process the PLO went through. They'll become "legitimate" and maybe another spin off of extremists will break off. It's not like this hasn't already happened before. Hamas was formed as just such a splinter group from the PLO in the 80s.


You can view this as terrorists gaining power, or the terrorists deciding to change tactics and work through political methodologies instead. I think it's way to early to assume either case just yet.
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#23 Jan 26 2006 at 9:35 PM Rating: Default
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You can view this as terrorists gaining power, or the terrorists deciding to change tactics and work through political methodologies instead. I think it's way to early to assume either case just yet.


Maybe the people in Palestine don't view the Hamas as a terrorist organization but as a liberator from constant years of indirect and direct US oppression?

Way to once again misrespresent and rape the meaning of a word inserted in a politically fabricated context gbaji.

Edited, Thu Jan 26 21:43:23 2006 by Meeko
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You can view this as terrorists gaining power, or the terrorists deciding to change tactics and work through political methodologies instead. I think it's way to early to assume either case just yet.


Maybe the people in Palestine don't view the Hamas as a terrorist organization but as a liberator from constant years of indirect and direct US oppression?

Way to once again misrespresent and rape the meaning of a word inserted in a politically fabricated context gbaji.



Eh? No fabrication involved at all. Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization. Just as the PLO was until (IIRC) 1987. Both happen to *also* be political organizations as well. It's entirely possible for people to support the political agenda of Hamas without necessarily supporting the terrorist attacks performed by its more militant members. In *exactly* the same way someone living in Belfast might support the IRA without necessarily supporting terrorist attacks performed by that body.

Get it? Making a parallel here. One can certainly argue persuasively that the movement from bombs to politics on the part of the IRA (despite what you might personally think of Mr. Adams) has lead to productive movement with regards to terrorism in Ireland. One could draw the parallel that this level of legitimacy by Hamas will force it to act as a political organization first and hopefully over time distance itself from terrorism.

There's no way to know for sure. Terrorism is incredibly prone to institutionalism. What starts out as a fight for specific social/political goals often becomes very very hard to stop as those organizations grow and begin to be filled with members who don't care about the cause as much as the power they gain by having that cause. In an interesting twist, most groups like that eventually spin off to the point where they don't want the social issues addressed and fixed because then they have no reason to exist anymore and they percieve that as a loss of power. We've certainly seen this time and again both with Irish and Palestinian terrorism.


As I stated earlier. It's much too early to say definatively whether this is a good or bad thing in the long run.
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#26 Jan 26 2006 at 11:22 PM Rating: Good
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As I said in Nobby's thread, the Palestinian election is good news, period. Nothing will defang a terrorist organization quicker than having to live up to the high expectations on which they convinced the Palestinian public to vote them into office. Militant speeches and rhetoric doesn't pay the bills, but genuine overtures of peace and a respectful accomodation of the fact that Israel is there to stay will. More importantly, it will convince the US and the EU to loose those purse strings that will enable Hamas to fund those grandiose promises made to their voters.

So yes, while democracy doesn't guarantee the people you want in office will get there, it certainly places shackles on behavior on them that no other kind of anti-terrorist policy or aggressive military stance could produce. Hamas has caught the tiger by the tail, but now that it has it, what will it do now? This likely going to be a very frightening thought for them once the euphoria of actually winning wears off.

You are quite correct, Smash, freedom truly is on the march!

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