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#1 Jan 23 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
This seems like a very British thing to do actually, so very amusing to see americans taking the same pissy attitude with bad laws Smiley: grin

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Activists angered by a US Supreme Court ruling that homes can be demolished for public developments are trying to seize the home of one of the judges involved.

About 60 people rallied in the small New Hampshire town of Weare on Sunday, where Justice David Souter has a house.

The protesters say they have enough signatures from Weare residents to put their proposal to a town vote in March.

They want a compulsory purchase order on the 200-year-old farmhouse, and say they will build a hotel in its place.


Very amusing that one of the judges who passed a law that can be easily abused by industry should find local residents using the law to claim his own house Smiley: laugh

I would love to see the outcome of this. And I would love to know what the judge said when he found out that his own law was enabling people to take his house from under him!

Oh dear .. still laughing.
#2 Jan 23 2006 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
that is great. would hate to see the 200yr old building be destroyed, but might just send the correct message to the bastards that voted that law into effect.
#3 Jan 23 2006 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
It will be more amusing if he appeals the decision when its passed and the presiding judge throws his case out based on the precedent he has now set.
#4 Jan 23 2006 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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I imagine he'll argue that the action is patently punitive and that there is no compelling reason to take the property.

Then he'll put on a houserobe and lie down in front of the bulldozer.
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#5 Jan 23 2006 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Then he'll put on a houserobe and lie down in front of the bulldozer.
Lets just hope he doesn't forget his towel...
#6 Jan 23 2006 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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would hate to see the 200yr old building be destroyed.



funny how a 200 year old building is old to us Yanks.
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#7 Jan 23 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's hard to get a 2000yr old building when you keep knocking down the 200yr old ones.
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#8 Jan 23 2006 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I've seen pictures of downtown Edinburgh, where the streets look like their too narrow to barely fit 2 wagons "abreast".

It's like the "cobblestone" streets in downtown B-more; sure, it's nice and historical and nostalgic... but like hell wehn I'm forced to drive on it and fu[b][/b]ck my suspension all up.

They should just put the old stones up on the curbs like they do in New York.

..anyway
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#9 Jan 23 2006 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I've seen pictures of downtown Edinburgh, where the streets look like their too narrow to barely fit 2 wagons "abreast"
Old Plymouth (The Barbican) is a bit like that with the added bonus of having a Pub every third building or so..
#10 Jan 23 2006 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I've seen pictures of downtown Edinburgh, where the streets look like their too narrow to barely fit 2 wagons "abreast"
Old Plymouth (The Barbican) is a bit like that with the added bonus of having a Pub every third building or so..


I think most US cities hav one small area that is at least 200+ years old with all original buildings and streets. They are tourist HELL, with a bar or club every 4 or so doors, filled in with overpriced jewlery shops, junk stores, and used CD outlets.

Fell's Point... it's where all the "cool kids" hang outSmiley: rolleyes
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I think most US cities hav one small area that is at least 200+ years old with all original buildings and streets.
Well, unless it burned down somewhere around 1871.
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#12 Jan 23 2006 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo, Eater of Souls wrote:
I think most US cities hav one small area that is at least 200+ years old with all original buildings and streets.
Well, unless it burned down somewhere around 1871.


well... then you'll have to think of a good 'catch-phrase' title for your city to make up for the tourist industry and to get people's minds off of fire..
that and/or claim any famously notorious criminals as your own.
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#13 Jan 24 2006 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
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There are some more articles on this (including the original proposals) here:
http://www.freestarmedia.com/hotellostliberty2.html


Press Release
For Release Monday, June 27 to New Hampshire media
For Release Tuesday, June 28 to all other media

Weare, New Hampshire (PRWEB) Could a hotel be built on the land owned by Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter? A new ruling by the Supreme Court which was supported by Justice Souter himself itself might allow it. A private developer is seeking to use this very law to build a hotel on Souter's land.

Justice Souter's vote in the "Kelo vs. City of New London" decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner.

On Monday June 27, Logan Darrow Clements, faxed a request to Chip Meany the code enforcement officer of the Towne of Weare, New Hampshire seeking to start the application process to build a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road. This is the present location of Mr. Souter's home.

Clements, CEO of Freestar Media, LLC, points out that the City of Weare will certainly gain greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road than allowing Mr. Souter to own the land.

The proposed development, called "The Lost Liberty Hotel" will feature the "Just Desserts Café" and include a museum, open to the public, featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America. Instead of a Gideon's Bible each guest will receive a free copy of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged."

Clements indicated that the hotel must be built on this particular piece of land because it is a unique site being the home of someone largely responsible for destroying property rights for all Americans.

"This is not a prank" said Clements, "The Towne of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from Mr. Souter we can begin our hotel development."

Clements' plan is to raise investment capital from wealthy pro-liberty investors and draw up architectural plans. These plans would then be used to raise investment capital for the project. Clements hopes that regular customers of the hotel might include supporters of the Institute For Justice and participants in the Free State Project among others.

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#14 Jan 24 2006 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Then he'll put on a houserobe and lie down in front of the bulldozer.
Lets just hope he doesn't forget his towel...


Hopefully he'll have drank a pint of beer.
#15 Jan 24 2006 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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I think this article warranted more than just an edit to the last one. Not sure if you guys have seen it or not... haven't been on here in ages :) Let's hope I don't get addicted again...

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/05/news/economy/eminent_domain_katrina/

Other sources are saying the city has no plans to use Eminent Domain, but who knows... kind of scary :(
#16 Jan 24 2006 at 11:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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"I would expect eminent domain to play a significant role in the rebuilding of New Orleans," Peterson said. "My guess is that it will be used carefully and prudently to make sure that the primary beneficiaries will be the people of New Orleans and not the land speculators."


He doesn't know Louisiana very well.
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#17 Jan 25 2006 at 8:07 PM Rating: Default
Very amusing that one of the judges who passed a law that can be easily abused by industry should find local residents using the law to claim his own house
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first a little lesson in government.

Judges do not PASS laws. they only interpet and uphold them.
Legislators pass laws.

now a recent history lesson about this mess.

the law in question was passed in response to the California wild fires a few years back. in it, the federal government effectively handed any and all authority dealing with land back to the individual states.

in this law, they also pout in wording that virtually striped any and all public input into any decision the state makes concerning this land. they did this to bypass tree huggers crying about the state selling logging rights in protected forests to..."thin"....them for fire controll.

the purpose was to let California and all other states manage their land as they saw fit. this would make way for letting California to "thin" forests as they saw fit to controll future fires.

what it effectively did was strip any and all protections YOU have concerning ANY and ALL land use decisions adn turned that power over to state government.

they can take YOUR property any time they want and sell it to a for profit developer ANYTIME they choose under imminent domain laws now.
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back to this post now.

the Judge DID NOT have ANYTHING to do with the passing of this law. nothing. legislators from this addministraition passed the law at the federal level.

the Judge is bound by law to uphold this law. he has no choice.

the idiots trying to take his property are truly idiots. the people they need to go after are the republican LEGISLATORS who passed this law, not the judge sworn to uphold it.

if they want the LAW changed, they need to attack the people who make laws, not the people sworn to uphold them. they need to attack the republican legislators who passed this law stripping you of any and all of YOUR property rights and giving them to whichever lobbiest ponies up enough money to stick in the govenors coffers.

it boggles my mind when i see stupid stuff like this. i guess its american though. i mean al-queda in afganistan attacked us, so lets invade Iraq. same stupid crap handed to you by the same band of thugs, and people still cant figure out who is to blame yet.

we are getting exactly what we deserve.

#18 Jan 25 2006 at 8:13 PM Rating: Good
1. Judges legislate all the time. They interpret a law as infringing upon a right that wasn't even thought of when the Constitution was written and strike down the law.

2. All this reference to "they" would be unsettling if not for the source. You've got a couple of pinholes in your tinfoil, dude. Better add some more layers or "they" will triangulate on you.

3. Will you, for the love of God, start using the quote function and some capital letters and punctuation you damn plane-guiding loony? Why you gotta be such a nonconformist?

#19 Jan 25 2006 at 8:15 PM Rating: Default
Wait a god da[/b]mn fu[b]cking minute! I have to go find it but I remember when this passed the majority who passed it where liberals not republicans. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05175/527821.stm
#20 Jan 25 2006 at 8:46 PM Rating: Default
Wait a god damn ******* minute! I have to go find it but I remember when this passed the majority who passed it where liberals not republicans.
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nope. the liberal minority in the legislation and the tree huggers were all screaming how they were selling our national forests to big bussiness at the time.

little did anyone know at the time they were selling a hell of a lot more than that.
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1. Judges legislate all the time. They interpret a law as infringing upon a right that wasn't even thought of when the Constitution was written and strike down the law.
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not true. not by a long shot.

i can only assume you are refering to roe vs wade, as this rightist spinn was used often when refering to it.

in roe vs wade, the federal court DID NOT rule "abortions" were a constitutional right as the far right wants you to believe.

they ruled no court or government has the right to DENY medical services to ANYONE, as that WOULD violate certain parts of the constitution.

they did not "legislate" from the bench. they UPHELD the constitution. the far right wants to seperate "abortion" from other medical proceedurs so they can say it is not covered by the constitution.

judges DO NOT legislate from the bench. they interpet and uphold the law. adn only when the law goes against other laws or against rights guarenteed us under the constitution do they strike it down.

this law was passed by the republican majority legislators. it was passed to BYPASS ANY and ALL public input into how imminant domain laws may be enforced.

they striped public rights on how public land is governned. and they did it on purpose.

the moral majority working for you.
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nope. the liberal minority in the legislation and the tree huggers were all screaming how they were selling our national forests to big bussiness at the time.

little did anyone know at the time they were selling a hell of a lot more than that.


Um... No. The whole national forest thing had *zero* effect on this eminent domain case. The case you are looking at is specific to national parkland. It has nothing to do with a local city government deciding to take land from private citizens and give it to other private interests in the hopes that more revenue will be generated as a result.

I'm not sure of the political makeup of the New London, Conn. city council (I did some quick looking, but didn't find anything that listed off the members, much less their party affilitations). However, I think it's silly to equate local politics with national politics. Locally, it's as easy to find members of either party that'll make decisions you disagree with. I'm not aware of very many people who actually vote along or care about party lines when voting for local city positions (since that's a really dumb reason to vote someone in IMO).

In any case, the significant issue in this case isn't the specific city government who tried this. It could have been any locality that tried it, and been made up of any political combination. That's all irrelevant. What matters is that the decision by the Supreme Court upholding the constitutionality of the eminent domain in this case was so obviously and blatantly placed along political "left/right" lines.

Justices on the Left, without exception, believed that the eminent domain was constitutional in this case. Those on the Right, without exception, believed that it was unconstitutional. One moderate (Kennedy) sided with the Liberal justices (Stevens, Souter, Ginsberg, and Breyer) and gave them a majority in the 5-4 ruling, with the other moderate (O'connor) siding with the 3 Conservative Justices (Thomas, Rhenquist, and Scalia) in the minority opinion.


The screaming by Liberals on this ruling is kinda strange considering it was the Justices following their own political ideologies that caused it to happen.

But hey! Let's not allow Bush to appoint a conservative justice to the court, because we might get someone who'll take away our rights or something. Sheesh!


Ever consider that you're just on the wrong side of the whole "freedom and liberty" thing and just don't know it?
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#22 Jan 26 2006 at 8:44 AM Rating: Default
Um... No. The whole national forest thing had *zero* effect on this eminent domain case. The case you are looking at is specific to national parkland. It has nothing to do with a local city government deciding to take land from private citizens and give it to other private interests in the hopes that more revenue will be generated as a result.
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your wrong gbaji.

go look at the bill.

the "national forest thing" as you put it was the bill that eliminated federal oversight in not just protected national forests, but any and all say in how any state may govern and manage land in their state.

the wording in the bill, if you looked at it, has a passage that states the state ....MAY.....changed from the word......MUST.....hear public input on how land is "managed", and in the very next sentance added something that was not in the origonal law, the state ....MUST.....GIVE WEIGHT....to input into how land is to be used from private organizations if that input contributes to the ECONOMIC prosparity of the state.

basically, the state does not have to listen to the people in how land is managed UNLESS there is an economic interest involved. national forests? hello logging companies. your house sitting next to a nice lake? hello development company.

get the picture yet? they sold your **** out. and they did it on purpose. this is true to the republican model. building the economy from the top down. stripping individual rights in favor of promoting economic gain for big bussiness. the whole trickle down thing at its worst.

and it WAS NOT done by ANY judge.

it was done by the republican majority legislator in the house of representatives.

they are attacking the WRONG PERSON.

and like gbaji, you stupid sheep dont know enough about your own government to know where to look for the rot in this country. its been there all the time. it wasnt tenet, it wasnt brown, it wasnt "bad intellegance", and IT WASNT THIS JUDGE.

someday, you will wake up. mabe. or mabe we are destined to be one of the seven jewels of the north in the crown of the antichrist. the Bible doesnt say anywhere that the false prophets who lead millions of God loving people to damnation will be RELIGIOUS LEADERS. think about that. most of Germany was christian during Hitlers rise to power. most of them BELIEVED they were doing the right thing.
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